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Post by japster on Jan 12, 2019 17:41:31 GMT
No I meant that in the base mod if you pick basically any house that aren't lord paramounts or a cadet branch (like all the reach houses are) their history will start in Aegon's Conquest, ie the first Umber in the history files is born in 7961, the first Wyl in 7970, the first Mormont in 7969, I think that's just technical limitations, saving 8000 years of history would probably take a lot of computer power, and history is fairly sparse for it as well, I'm fairly certain all of the lords from the earlier start dates are invented. |
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Post by Toccs on Jan 12, 2019 22:47:33 GMT
The minor houses from the North should for the most part all be there as they are ancient First Men houses. Most of the minor houses in the south simply don't exist in the earliest time periods.
Okay, I suppose that's fair for the southern houses, but even in the North, the only houses that exist are the High Lords, like the Umbers etc. the Crannogmen houses, Hill clansmen and the Skagosi. Cerwyns. Houses like the Hornwoods, Forresters etc. are nowhere to be found.
All the Northern houses should exist in all the submod bookmarks. The Hill Clansmen and Crannogmen houses are definitely in there and I've seen posts before of people playing Forresters in the Andal Invasion. The Hornwoods may not be around in all the bookmarks because the Boltons or the Greystarks own their lands for most of that time I believe.
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Post by Toccs on Jan 12, 2019 22:49:34 GMT
The minor houses from the North should for the most part all be there as they are ancient First Men houses. Most of the minor houses in the south simply don't exist in the earliest time periods.
Out of interest is there a reason for most houses in the main mod not having any history before Aegon's conquest? Could the history that exists in the submods be imported for modding purposes or would there likely be conflicts?
That's not possible to do, and would serve no purpose even if it was.
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Post by blitzbirne91 on Jan 12, 2019 23:11:57 GMT
is century of blood still playable with the new release or do i have to wait for a new version ?
great work non the less!
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Post by Toccs on Jan 12, 2019 23:15:26 GMT
is century of blood still playable with the new release or do i have to wait for a new version ? great work non the less!
It should be fine now, the updated version was added to the download yesterday.
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Post by rufff1 on Jan 12, 2019 23:22:42 GMT
Out of interest is there a reason for most houses in the main mod not having any history before Aegon's conquest? Could the history that exists in the submods be imported for modding purposes or would there likely be conflicts?
That's not possible to do, and would serve no purpose even if it was.
What do you mean by impossible? I wanted to add a few generations of ancestors for a few houses for my bloodlines submod, to have a more distant founder, would that still probably be fine or are their name ids probably already being used in the main mod? |
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Post by Toccs on Jan 12, 2019 23:38:57 GMT
That's not possible to do, and would serve no purpose even if it was.
What do you mean by impossible? I wanted to add a few generations of ancestors for a few houses for my bloodlines submod, to have a more distant founder, would that still probably be fine or are their name ids probably already being used in the main mod?
You can add a few generations in yourself no problem. You can't just take character history from the submods and add them to the main mod though. The submod databases are 95% duplicates of the main mod, with dates changes and canon characters removed or added. So they cannot be formed into a single continuous timeline.
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Post by japster on Jan 13, 2019 16:14:19 GMT
Okay, I suppose that's fair for the southern houses, but even in the North, the only houses that exist are the High Lords, like the Umbers etc. the Crannogmen houses, Hill clansmen and the Skagosi. Cerwyns. Houses like the Hornwoods, Forresters etc. are nowhere to be found.
All the Northern houses should exist in all the submod bookmarks. The Hill Clansmen and Crannogmen houses are definitely in there and I've seen posts before of people playing Forresters in the Andal Invasion. The Hornwoods may not be around in all the bookmarks because the Boltons or the Greystarks own their lands for most of that time I believe.
Huh, the issue must be on my end somewhere then, I'll try disabling submods and whatever and see if I can find what I'm doing wrong. EDIT: There's no issues in the Valyrian Freehold and Bleeding years submods, but anything earlier than that and there's nothing. I don't know if the characters exist, but there no history for the titles beyond the fact that they're sworn to Winterfell/Dreadfort, so they just get generated dynasties named after the castles. The only people that exist are the High Lords, and the minor Lords of the subcultures, crannog etc. |
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Post by TheNotoriousRLJ on Jan 14, 2019 3:43:53 GMT
Any chance we'll ever see Westeros Only be compatible with the official bookmarks?
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Post by madjester on Jan 15, 2019 1:09:55 GMT
All the Northern houses should exist in all the submod bookmarks. The Hill Clansmen and Crannogmen houses are definitely in there and I've seen posts before of people playing Forresters in the Andal Invasion. The Hornwoods may not be around in all the bookmarks because the Boltons or the Greystarks own their lands for most of that time I believe.
Huh, the issue must be on my end somewhere then, I'll try disabling submods and whatever and see if I can find what I'm doing wrong. EDIT: There's no issues in the Valyrian Freehold and Bleeding years submods, but anything earlier than that and there's nothing. I don't know if the characters exist, but there no history for the titles beyond the fact that they're sworn to Winterfell/Dreadfort, so they just get generated dynasties named after the castles. The only people that exist are the High Lords, and the minor Lords of the subcultures, crannog etc. I've definitely seen this myself. Notably the lack of the Ryders/Ryswells, Cerwyns, Tallharts, etc. I always chalked it up simply to the possibility of those houses not existing yet in the earliest/earlier bookmarks. Now if there was a way to CREATE them in-game either through raising to nobility or cadet branching that'd create some interesting scenarios.... buttttttt short version is I've seen the same thing you have with a bunch of them missing. |
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Post by japster on Jan 15, 2019 17:30:18 GMT
Huh, the issue must be on my end somewhere then, I'll try disabling submods and whatever and see if I can find what I'm doing wrong. EDIT: There's no issues in the Valyrian Freehold and Bleeding years submods, but anything earlier than that and there's nothing. I don't know if the characters exist, but there no history for the titles beyond the fact that they're sworn to Winterfell/Dreadfort, so they just get generated dynasties named after the castles. The only people that exist are the High Lords, and the minor Lords of the subcultures, crannog etc. I've definitely seen this myself. Notably the lack of the Ryders/Ryswells, Cerwyns, Tallharts, etc. I always chalked it up simply to the possibility of those houses not existing yet in the earliest/earlier bookmarks. Now if there was a way to CREATE them in-game either through raising to nobility or cadet branching that'd create some interesting scenarios.... buttttttt short version is I've seen the same thing you have with a bunch of them missing. Glad I'm not the only one seeing this, I was looking all over trying to work out how I'd messed up the installation. |
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Post by Toccs on Jan 16, 2019 9:24:59 GMT
I've definitely seen this myself. Notably the lack of the Ryders/Ryswells, Cerwyns, Tallharts, etc. I always chalked it up simply to the possibility of those houses not existing yet in the earliest/earlier bookmarks. Now if there was a way to CREATE them in-game either through raising to nobility or cadet branching that'd create some interesting scenarios.... buttttttt short version is I've seen the same thing you have with a bunch of them missing. Glad I'm not the only one seeing this, I was looking all over trying to work out how I'd messed up the installation.
Yeah, you guys are right, my bad. This will definitely be fixed for the next update.
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Post by lucasdiop on Jan 16, 2019 10:47:18 GMT
I don't now if it's only for me but when I play one of these submods with westeros only the game crash after 7 days, any suggestions to fix that bug?
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Post by didgeridoo on Jan 16, 2019 16:29:41 GMT
I don't now if it's only for me but when I play one of these submods with westeros only the game crash after 7 days, any suggestions to fix that bug? I saw somewhere westeros only is not compatible with extra bookmarks. |
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Post by madjester on Jan 16, 2019 17:44:42 GMT
Glad I'm not the only one seeing this, I was looking all over trying to work out how I'd messed up the installation.
Yeah, you guys are right, my bad. This will definitely be fixed for the next update.
Much appreciated Toccs. Like I said I honestly wasn't sure how far back some of the lesser houses went back. Only thing that irritated me was how meh the generic coat of arms are, especially when it's like 50/50 that either the name will exist elsewhere or suck... or the arms/colors on the arms will suck when generically generated. |
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