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Post by rufff1 on Feb 24, 2019 20:09:04 GMT
Giving a character a new bloodline does NOT stop that ancestor passing on any other bloodlines they have, characters can readily have multiple bloodlines, bloodlines are essentially a character modifier. The only proposal I can offer to fix the Daynes getting the Martell look is making a limit that if a character is the Dayne dynasty the event that gives a character Martell_gfx doesn't fire. As for the Lannister Baratheons what I did in More Bloodlines to stop them becoming strong like other Baratheons was make the event not fire if a parent has a secret_bastard flag. This wouldn't stop grandkids etc though. Additionally as they become Lannisters in ACOK you could make the event not fire if a character's dynasty was Lannister I never said that giving a new bloodline would stop it - hence why I specifically said that the character might need to be forced not to get the Martell bloodline and then given the proposed Dayne bloodline. You seem to have terribly misunderstood what I said. I'd suggest a re-read. The rest of what you say has merit as a possible other solution though. Ok I was assuming based on what you were sating about the Lannister Baratheons - essentially once a character has a bloodline its damn hard to take it away from them, I've spent ages trying to take the Baratheon bloodline away from the Lannister Baratheons by event once they have been revealed for MBS and I can't make it work - hopefully the devs have found a way to do it but I'm not sure its necessarily possible. The Daynes might be somewhat easier as they can be excluded from the bloodline as it is being generated on startup |
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Post by rufff1 on Feb 24, 2019 20:27:47 GMT
I'd also further add that there's an argument to make Mors Martell the bloodline founder, after all Nymeria crowned him Prince of Dorne not vice versa, so, particularly as vanilla AGOT bloodlines principally concern claims making the claim descend from him would make sense
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Post by lunasmeow on Feb 24, 2019 20:29:03 GMT
I never said that giving a new bloodline would stop it - hence why I specifically said that the character might need to be forced not to get the Martell bloodline and then given the proposed Dayne bloodline. You seem to have terribly misunderstood what I said. I'd suggest a re-read. The rest of what you say has merit as a possible other solution though. Ok I was assuming based on what you were sating about the Lannister Baratheons - essentially once a character has a bloodline its damn hard to take it away from them, I've spent ages trying to take the Baratheon bloodline away from the Lannister Baratheons by event once they have been revealed for MBS and I can't make it work - hopefully the devs have found a way to do it but I'm not sure its necessarily possible. The Daynes might be somewhat easier as they can be excluded from the bloodline as it is being generated on startup Yeah - the hard part is what would really make sense... if a "secret_bastard" child only was excluded from the family bloodline, but kept any "achievement" bloodlines since that would be the "public facing" bloodline, that people didn't know he shouldn't have, the prestige as it were, (like the Alexander conqueror one) while the "family" bloodline was what would determine their looks... but then you run into the same problem of "removing" said bloodline once they get outed, because otherwise that could screw up the dynastic claim... unless someone does find a way to remove a bloodline once added. |
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Post by gallien on Mar 21, 2019 23:39:48 GMT
It would be a simple solution indeed, but it would make all "secret" bastards no longer secret, because bloodlines aren't secret.
That is the problem with bloodlines - just like the dynasties, they represent what people think, not the actual bloodlines. That's why neither the dynasties, nor the bloodlines should be tied to the portraits. Some hidden character flags should be introduced that would represent real bloodlines (=genetics) and those flags should be tied with the portraits instead.
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