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Post by rufff1 on Jan 12, 2019 13:40:53 GMT
Any Stormlander Bloodlines you can think of? I hate how sparse they are
I haven't done too much research into Stormlander families, but : awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Stormlands has plenty of family names and the majority of them seem to stem from a very long line. IIRC House Boiling is a House that has Durrandon under a sinister bar, showing it comes from a bastard IIR.. The Bollings currently have the Durran Godsgrief Bloodline (Wensingtons similarly have the Orys Baratheon Bloodline) the frustrating thing about the Stormland Houses is they just don't have very much lore on anyone but the Baratheons, we know most of the houses are old but I'm trying to give bloodlines to particularly prominent ones/those with a legendary ancestor, and with so little information I can't work out who is deserving of a bloodline or who isn't (why did GRRM have to give them such a thin WOIAF entry -_- )
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Post by joca on Jan 12, 2019 14:45:31 GMT
Great mod, and personally I think this is a good healthy amount of bloodlines. Though if I could make a suggestion for an addition, I think the Baratheons should also get the Durrandon special bloodline of "Bloodline of Durran Godgrief" as well. Its tricky, bloodline transmission mean since Orys married Argella non matrilineally they don't get it, I'm going to try and see whether there is some way to give it to them though You can do it by adding such a trait to Orys Baratheon and Argella Durrandon's offspring and should go from down there, no?
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Post by rufff1 on Jan 12, 2019 15:07:24 GMT
Its tricky, bloodline transmission mean since Orys married Argella non matrilineally they don't get it, I'm going to try and see whether there is some way to give it to them though You can do it by adding such a trait to Orys Baratheon and Argella Durrandon's offspring and should go from down there, no? Annoyingly bloodlines aren't a trait, you trigger the creation of the bloodline at a date (how I added my bloodlines) or on initialisation (how the devs added the base bloodlines), then the game works out all qualified descendants and gives them the appropriate bloodline (on the one hand this is great as it gets descendants you would have missed, ie House Selmy are actually related to the Tarlys as a matrilineal marriage between the Lady Selmy and a younger Tarly happened in 120 AC or so, and so they got the bloodline without me realising, but on the other it is making giving the Baratheons the bloodline tricky, currently trying to do it through an initialisation event)
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Post by thesixthsheik on Jan 12, 2019 15:21:12 GMT
Work out a way that Dany can pass on her bloodline if she is married to Aegon (since its not matrilineal she won’t pass it on) I think you could do this by making an event that immediately triggers for any character that has Dany as their mother that adds said character to the bloodline. This bit from the "bloodlines.info" file seems to imply that someone could achieve that with something like: character_event = { id=XXXXXX is_triggered_only = yes hide_window = yes trigger = { is_mother = 77041 } immediate = { effect= { add_to_bloodline = mother_of_dragons } } } Or something like that. I'm not entirely sure
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Post by rufff1 on Jan 12, 2019 15:24:07 GMT
Work out a way that Dany can pass on her bloodline if she is married to Aegon (since its not matrilineal she won’t pass it on) I think you could do this by making an event that immediately triggers for any character that has Dany as their mother that adds said character to the bloodline. This bit from the "bloodlines.info" file seems to imply that someone could achieve that with something like: character_event = { id=XXXXXX is_triggered_only = yes hide_window = yes trigger = { is_mother = 77041 } immediate = { effect= { add_to_bloodline = mother_of_dragons } } } Or something like that. I'm not entirely sure That looks really helpful, I reckon looking at it that it would also work for the Baratheons getting Durrandon blood so that should be two birds with one stone, thanks!
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Post by TheNotoriousRLJ on Jan 13, 2019 4:26:17 GMT
Will be checking this one out soon, great work!
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Post by rufff1 on Jan 13, 2019 12:14:40 GMT
Fun little peak for the update I'm working on which should be out within the week - you now forge a bloodline if you conquer the Iron Throne as Jon or Young Griff, I've used a little creative license when it comes to the bloodline names so I'd love any advice you've got. Essentially you fulfill the War as you normally would then when you legitimise yourself a bloodline is created Anyway as Jon you get the Blood of the Dragon of Winter: And as Aegon you get Blood of Aegon, The Golden Dragon: Renly also now has a bloodline from when he marries Margaery onwards (which uses the excellent COA made by marowa ):
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Post by drakerlugia on Jan 13, 2019 16:34:38 GMT
Looking excellent! Especially love the Renly bloodline, was considering creating one myself for him. I know you want to focus more on legendary bloodlines or people who have descent from the great heroes, given these choices for Young Griff and Jon, would you maybe consider a bloodline for Rhaenyra Targaryen if she wins the Dance of Dragons? Would be neat if she could pass it on to her Velaryon heirs. Not sure what the effects could be: prestige, increased opinion with female vassals if possible, maybe allowing access to Enatic-Cognatic succession or even Dornish succession similar to the Blood of Bayajidda and Magajiva in the base game? I also noticed some of the base game bloodlines allow access to Sky Burials, which are used by the Dothraki—we know from Fire and Blood that the Targaryen's have their dead cremated. The Sky Burial events could possibly be used as a template to create a Cremation Burial for the Targaryens or Valyrians in general. It'd be neat to see some extra bloodlines in Essos, too. Again, not really legendary founders, but here are a few ideas: For House Qhaedar in Volantis, there's Horonno, the Triarch who ruled for forty years and was trampled by elephants when he declared himself Triarch for Life. For Myr, there's the Blood of Prince-Admiral Craghas Drahar for House Drahar who commanded the armies of the Three Daughters and scourged the pirates from the Stepstones. His period of 'peace' in the Stepstones was notorious for the tolls that the Three Daughters demanded, most especially the Lyseni who pressed people—including a niece of Lord Swann into their pillow houses. For House zo Loraq in Meereen, Hizdahr has several 'famous' ancestors such as Mazdhan the Magnificent, Hazrak the Handsome, and Zharaq the Liberator. Could probably be rolled together in a general zo Loraq bloodline. A bloodline for the Mallarawan in Qarth for the Pureborn would be interesting as well, as the Pureborn was supposedly descendants of Qarth's ancient kings and queens.
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Post by rufff1 on Jan 13, 2019 16:53:38 GMT
Looking excellent! Especially love the Renly bloodline, was considering creating one myself for him. I know you want to focus more on legendary bloodlines or people who have descent from the great heroes, given these choices for Young Griff and Jon, would you maybe consider a bloodline for Rhaenyra Targaryen if she wins the Dance of Dragons? Would be neat if she could pass it on to her Velaryon heirs. Not sure what the effects could be: prestige, increased opinion with female vassals if possible, maybe allowing access to Enatic-Cognatic succession or even Dornish succession similar to the Blood of Bayajidda and Magajiva in the base game? I also noticed some of the base game bloodlines allow access to Sky Burials, which are used by the Dothraki—we know from Fire and Blood that the Targaryen's have their dead cremated. The Sky Burial events could possibly be used as a template to create a Cremation Burial for the Targaryens or Valyrians in general. It'd be neat to see some extra bloodlines in Essos, too. Again, not really legendary founders, but here are a few ideas: For House Qhaedar in Volantis, there's Horonno, the Triarch who ruled for forty years and was trampled by elephants when he declared himself Triarch for Life. For Myr, there's the Blood of Prince-Admiral Craghas Drahar for House Drahar who commanded the armies of the Three Daughters and scourged the pirates from the Stepstones. His period of 'peace' in the Stepstones was notorious for the tolls that the Three Daughters demanded, most especially the Lyseni who pressed people—including a niece of Lord Swann into their pillow houses. For House zo Loraq in Meereen, Hizdahr has several 'famous' ancestors such as Mazdhan the Magnificent, Hazrak the Handsome, and Zharaq the Liberator. Could probably be rolled together in a general zo Loraq bloodline. A bloodline for the Mallarawan in Qarth for the Pureborn would be interesting as well, as the Pureborn was supposedly descendants of Qarth's ancient kings and queens. Thanks, I like all of these - particularly the more bloodlines for Essos and the burials idea - I had been planning to add river burials to the Tullys can't believe I didn't think of cremations for the Targaryens too! I'll have a crack at Rhaenyra - I just need a way that it won't trigger on her heirs winning the war, just her specifically. I'll add all the bloodlines for essos to my list (just zo Loraq bloodline for Hizdahr though, I'm giving all the major houses of Ghiscar descent from Grazdhan so I don't want him OP)
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Post by japster on Jan 13, 2019 21:29:09 GMT
Looking excellent! Especially love the Renly bloodline, was considering creating one myself for him. I know you want to focus more on legendary bloodlines or people who have descent from the great heroes, given these choices for Young Griff and Jon, would you maybe consider a bloodline for Rhaenyra Targaryen if she wins the Dance of Dragons? Would be neat if she could pass it on to her Velaryon heirs. Not sure what the effects could be: prestige, increased opinion with female vassals if possible, maybe allowing access to Enatic-Cognatic succession or even Dornish succession similar to the Blood of Bayajidda and Magajiva in the base game? I also noticed some of the base game bloodlines allow access to Sky Burials, which are used by the Dothraki—we know from Fire and Blood that the Targaryen's have their dead cremated. The Sky Burial events could possibly be used as a template to create a Cremation Burial for the Targaryens or Valyrians in general. It'd be neat to see some extra bloodlines in Essos, too. Again, not really legendary founders, but here are a few ideas: For House Qhaedar in Volantis, there's Horonno, the Triarch who ruled for forty years and was trampled by elephants when he declared himself Triarch for Life. For Myr, there's the Blood of Prince-Admiral Craghas Drahar for House Drahar who commanded the armies of the Three Daughters and scourged the pirates from the Stepstones. His period of 'peace' in the Stepstones was notorious for the tolls that the Three Daughters demanded, most especially the Lyseni who pressed people—including a niece of Lord Swann into their pillow houses. For House zo Loraq in Meereen, Hizdahr has several 'famous' ancestors such as Mazdhan the Magnificent, Hazrak the Handsome, and Zharaq the Liberator. Could probably be rolled together in a general zo Loraq bloodline. A bloodline for the Mallarawan in Qarth for the Pureborn would be interesting as well, as the Pureborn was supposedly descendants of Qarth's ancient kings and queens. Thanks, I like all of these - particularly the more bloodlines for Essos and the burials idea - I had been planning to add river burials to the Tullys can't believe I didn't think of cremations for the Targaryens too! I'll have a crack at Rhaenyra - I just need a way that it won't trigger on her heirs winning the war, just her specifically. I'll add all the bloodlines for essos to my list (just zo Loraq bloodline for Hizdahr though, I'm giving all the major houses of Ghiscar descent from Grazdhan so I don't want him OP) If you're looking for burial ideas, perhaps an event to inter a Stark in the crypts in Winterfell? You could also have another event where the current Lord Stark can choose to break with tradition and lay a close relative there even if they weren't the Lord/King, like Ned did with Lya.
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Post by rufff1 on Jan 13, 2019 21:38:27 GMT
Thanks, I like all of these - particularly the more bloodlines for Essos and the burials idea - I had been planning to add river burials to the Tullys can't believe I didn't think of cremations for the Targaryens too! I'll have a crack at Rhaenyra - I just need a way that it won't trigger on her heirs winning the war, just her specifically. I'll add all the bloodlines for essos to my list (just zo Loraq bloodline for Hizdahr though, I'm giving all the major houses of Ghiscar descent from Grazdhan so I don't want him OP) If you're looking for burial ideas, perhaps an event to inter a Stark in the crypts in Winterfell? You could also have another event where the current Lord Stark can choose to break with tradition and lay a close relative there even if they weren't the Lord/King, like Ned did with Lya. Yeah so currently the list I have for house burials are Starks - crypts, Targs - cremated, Tully's - river Blackwoods - beneath the tree Lannisters - hall of heroes It won't be a priority, rn I'm trying to iron out a couple of kinks in the mod and finish up the trait gain system, but once thats done I'll work on burials
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Post by nerdman3000 on Jan 14, 2019 2:50:15 GMT
Do we know how the Dornish bury their dead? Maybe they bury their dead in the sand or mummify them like the Ancient Egyptians in our world? Maybe the Baratheon's and Durrandon's on the other hand through their dead off a cliff in a Storm?
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Post by rufff1 on Jan 14, 2019 8:23:49 GMT
I'm gonna try and stick to the lore on burials, so just the traditions we specifically know about
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Post by frost on Jan 14, 2019 12:35:44 GMT
is it possible to create a bloodline for anyone who wins the war for dawn?
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Post by rufff1 on Jan 14, 2019 12:55:59 GMT
is it possible to create a bloodline for anyone who wins the war for dawn? It should be possible, to do, I'll give it a general opinion boost, nights watch boost and cold gods penalty, out of interest what are your thoughts on what it should be called?
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