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Post by Duryn on Feb 15, 2019 16:18:30 GMT
Not sure actually, either or? I'm going to safely assume it's Vanilla CK2 since I believe I saw the whole "feature" thing on the CK2 wiki. Right Here Actually Yeah so besides the trait gain feature (which is based off a heavily tweaked version of the code that gives child of destiny the ambitious trait) a few bloodlines use bloodline effects from vanilla - if you have the blood of Robb Stark, Gerold the Great Lannister or Gregor Clegane you have a higher chance of capturing enemies, if you are a Hoare you have an increased chance of raiding artifacts, if you have the Jahaerys bloodline your council will obey your decisions more often. Plus its worth noting that the supposedly "basic" bloodline bonuses can actually be quite extensive in a way that meshes nicely with lore - Marcher bloodlines have morale defences - emphasising their role at holding the line, Blackwoods get a boost with archers, whereas Blackwoods have a boost with cavalry (reflecting their traditional preference in warfare), you can add really specific opinion bonuses, ie making hunters like the Tarlys and Crakehalls, or poets like the Carons for example. If you want to get even further into it you can tweak AI rationality or honour via bloodline, but I felt that was best done via trait gain making it likely they gain traits that made them dishonourable rather than having a Bolton who had somehow gained the honourable trait still murdering everyone Oh that's pretty neat! Makes me reconsider which bloodlines I'll want to hunt for in my own saves now haha Also something for me to consider if I ever mess around with bloodlines. |
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Post by blackfyreboy on Feb 16, 2019 6:13:06 GMT
May I ask how this happened?  Edit: Solved it by editing the save file. Not sure why it gave me the bloodline twice. The first time was when I took the Stormlands, and then again when I took the Iron Throne. |
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Post by rufff1 on Feb 16, 2019 9:16:16 GMT
May I ask how this happened? Edit: Solved it by editing the save file. Not sure why it gave me the bloodline twice. The first time was when I took the Stormlands, and then again when I took the Iron Throne. Weird - if memory serves the bloodline is meant to be created when he legitimises himself, but I'll check the code EDIT ok so this is genuinely bizarre - the only way Aegon's bloodline is created is via the event "invasions.105" - the event that makes him a Targaryen etc, which should not be firing if he wins in the Stormlands. |
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Post by clubbalang on Feb 17, 2019 16:11:14 GMT
Love the mod, thanks!
Quick question - is the Congenital Overhaul patch updated for the most recent version of Congenital Overhaul? Or does it not even need to be? Thanks!
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Post by rufff1 on Feb 17, 2019 16:57:44 GMT
Love the mod, thanks! Quick question - is the Congenital Overhaul patch updated for the most recent version of Congenital Overhaul? Or does it not even need to be? Thanks! Its certainly meant to be compatible with CO 1.8, but I'll check its working as intended - are the bloodlines still present? |
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Post by clubbalang on Feb 17, 2019 17:53:07 GMT
Love the mod, thanks! Quick question - is the Congenital Overhaul patch updated for the most recent version of Congenital Overhaul? Or does it not even need to be? Thanks! Its certainly meant to be compatible with CO 1.8, but I'll check its working as intended - are the bloodlines still present? Difficult to tell - Just going off your example screenshots on the first page, if I start as Robb in Clash of Kings, I have the blood of the two Brans (Builder and Breaker), and of Bael the Bard. However, if I start as Dany in Feast for Crows, I will have blood of the conqueror, but not the blood of the conciliator or the vile blood of the Mad King. So I'm not entirely sure what's going on. Seems like some of the bloodlines are firing, but not others. |
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Post by rufff1 on Feb 17, 2019 18:24:30 GMT
Its certainly meant to be compatible with CO 1.8, but I'll check its working as intended - are the bloodlines still present? Difficult to tell - Just going off your example screenshots on the first page, if I start as Robb in Clash of Kings, I have the blood of the two Brans (Builder and Breaker), and of Bael the Bard. However, if I start as Dany in Feast for Crows, I will have blood of the conqueror, but not the blood of the conciliator or the vile blood of the Mad King. So I'm not entirely sure what's going on. Seems like some of the bloodlines are firing, but not others. Hmmmmm weird - they are all created via history files and to take Dany Conqueror and Conciliator are both created in the crownlands_history file, they aren't created on initialisation like the base AGOT bloodlines, did you scroll down all the way? Also have you checked the ledger for bloodlines (open the ledger in bottom right of the screen, bloodlines are page 15/15) |
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Post by clubbalang on Feb 17, 2019 18:44:45 GMT
Difficult to tell - Just going off your example screenshots on the first page, if I start as Robb in Clash of Kings, I have the blood of the two Brans (Builder and Breaker), and of Bael the Bard. However, if I start as Dany in Feast for Crows, I will have blood of the conqueror, but not the blood of the conciliator or the vile blood of the Mad King. So I'm not entirely sure what's going on. Seems like some of the bloodlines are firing, but not others. Hmmmmm weird - they are all created via history files and to take Dany Conqueror and Conciliator are both created in the crownlands_history file, they aren't created on initialisation like the base AGOT bloodlines, did you scroll down all the way? Also have you checked the ledger for bloodlines (open the ledger in bottom right of the screen, bloodlines are page 15/15) Nope, so there's no scrollbar, and in the ledger, there is no blood of the conciliator or of the mad king (or even of the conqueror tbh - the only Targaryen one there is blood of the exile). Really not sure what's going on/what's stopping these Targ bloodlines from showing up. Edit: So I actually disabled everything except for the base mod, more bloodlines, and congenital overhaul, and the bloodlines are popping up. I'm going to go through my other submods and see which mod is the issue here - I'll be sure to let you know. |
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Post by clubbalang on Feb 17, 2019 19:16:38 GMT
I got my answer - it's the 'A Game of Thrones Portrait Replacer' mod causing the bloodlines not to show up. As long as that mod isn't checked off in the launcher, the bloodlines are there. I'm going to take a look at the files, but I've never tried making two ck2 mods compatible before. If I have to pick one of the two mods, I'll be picking yours, but any idea what I should be looking for/how I would go about getting them to work together?
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Post by rufff1 on Feb 17, 2019 21:58:01 GMT
I got my answer - it's the 'A Game of Thrones Portrait Replacer' mod causing the bloodlines not to show up. As long as that mod isn't checked off in the launcher, the bloodlines are there. I'm going to take a look at the files, but I've never tried making two ck2 mods compatible before. If I have to pick one of the two mods, I'll be picking yours, but any idea what I should be looking for/how I would go about getting them to work together? Good to hear you found the conflict - so had a look at portrait replacer, it works by applying a hidden trait to characters that overwrites their portrait with an image. the issue is they add the traits in history files and my mod adds bloodlines via the history files so there are two copies of history files which conflict with one another. It will take a while but you could make them compatible by merging the two history files - if you have the compare plugin in notepad++ you can load both files side by side and compare differences between them - you'd need to do this for each pair of history files. then once you've merged them delete one, and as there would only be one history file things would then be compatible. Also a second conflict - and this is why as you mentioned on reddit Jon's bloodline isn't firing for you - Portrait Replacer also modifies the tower_of_joy_events file (I'm assuming to make sure Jon gets his portrait), in my Mod Jon's bloodline is forged via an event in this file, so they would also need to be merged to ensure the bloodline can be created |
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Post by clubbalang on Feb 17, 2019 22:21:57 GMT
I got my answer - it's the 'A Game of Thrones Portrait Replacer' mod causing the bloodlines not to show up. As long as that mod isn't checked off in the launcher, the bloodlines are there. I'm going to take a look at the files, but I've never tried making two ck2 mods compatible before. If I have to pick one of the two mods, I'll be picking yours, but any idea what I should be looking for/how I would go about getting them to work together? Good to hear you found the conflict - so had a look at portrait replacer, it works by applying a hidden trait to characters that overwrites their portrait with an image. the issue is they add the traits in history files and my mod adds bloodlines via the history files so there are two copies of history files which conflict with one another. It will take a while but you could make them compatible by merging the two history files - if you have the compare plugin in notepad++ you can load both files side by side and compare differences between them - you'd need to do this for each pair of history files. then once you've merged them delete one, and as there would only be one history file things would then be compatible. Also a second conflict - and this is why as you mentioned on reddit Jon's bloodline isn't firing for you - Portrait Replacer also modifies the tower_of_joy_events file (I'm assuming to make sure Jon gets his portrait), in my Mod Jon's bloodline is forged via an event in this file, so they would also need to be merged to ensure the bloodline can be created I really appreciate you looking into this for me. I'm going to get the compare plugin and give it a shot, I'll let you know how it goes. Thanks! |
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Post by rufff1 on Feb 17, 2019 22:55:54 GMT
Another quick preview for the next update, unless the devs want it, I'm adding the Favoured Aspect of the Seven system I posted in the suggestions forum. Its not bloodlines related but its too small to be a submod of its own and so I might as well include it in MB. Essentially what it does is allow Faith of Seven characters to pick an aspect of the Seven that they worship most often, this gives them a trait that offers a small bonus (+1 diplomacy for the Father, +5% fertility for the Mother, +1 martial for the Warrior, +10 attraction for the Maiden, +1 Stewardship for the Smith, +1 learning for the Crone, and +1 intrigue for the Stranger). The bonuses are set purposefully low so they don't mess up balance and so its unclear if it really is divine favour, or just a strong personal focus on a particular area (if you're worshipping the Warrior you're probably thinking about fighting quite a lot etc). The event fires on initialisation so all the septons, septas, silent sisters and zealous characters have a preferred deity and the ai is coded to pick what aspects to chose based on character traits - so just or skilled diplomat characters tend to pick the Father, high martial and brave ones the Warrior, diligent ones the Smith, chaste ones the Maiden, sadistic ones the Stranger etc etc, so the chosen deity always seems appropriate based on the character. The event will also fire once a year so new septons/zealious character/characters with the theology focus will have the event fire, there is also a maintenance event that removes the trait if you cease worshipping the Seven. I've also added the traits to a few characters who aren't zealous - whilst at his Father's funeral Jaime thinks that he has largely only ever prayed to the Warrior so I gave him Dedicated to the Warrior, I gave Catelyn Dedicated to the Mother, I gave Sansa Dedicated to the Maiden, and that's pretty much it. Also I added in Septon Meribald and his brothers. Anyway here is a preview of it:
A selection of septons and zealous characters showing the new traits The new traits  |
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Post by blackfyreboy on Feb 18, 2019 3:22:16 GMT
Wow, update looks awesome.
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Post by malicioussauropod on Feb 18, 2019 4:27:29 GMT
Super excited for the next update, I basically only play AGOT with this mod now.
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Post by clubbalang on Feb 18, 2019 4:36:40 GMT
I got my answer - it's the 'A Game of Thrones Portrait Replacer' mod causing the bloodlines not to show up. As long as that mod isn't checked off in the launcher, the bloodlines are there. I'm going to take a look at the files, but I've never tried making two ck2 mods compatible before. If I have to pick one of the two mods, I'll be picking yours, but any idea what I should be looking for/how I would go about getting them to work together? Good to hear you found the conflict - so had a look at portrait replacer, it works by applying a hidden trait to characters that overwrites their portrait with an image. the issue is they add the traits in history files and my mod adds bloodlines via the history files so there are two copies of history files which conflict with one another. It will take a while but you could make them compatible by merging the two history files - if you have the compare plugin in notepad++ you can load both files side by side and compare differences between them - you'd need to do this for each pair of history files. then once you've merged them delete one, and as there would only be one history file things would then be compatible. Also a second conflict - and this is why as you mentioned on reddit Jon's bloodline isn't firing for you - Portrait Replacer also modifies the tower_of_joy_events file (I'm assuming to make sure Jon gets his portrait), in my Mod Jon's bloodline is forged via an event in this file, so they would also need to be merged to ensure the bloodline can be created Really sorry to keep bugging you with this, but the merge wasn't as successful as I hoped. It seemed to work for every house except for the Starks. So I merged them, and saved the merge to your mod's directory, deleting the unmerged copy from the Portrait Replacer directory. Boot up the game, none of the Portraits are showing up. If I put the merged files in both directories, then Portraits/bloodlines pop up for everyone... except for the Starks. The Stark dynasty for some reason completely disappears. If I go into history, it looks like the Starks died out with Rickard's grandfather. No idea what is causing this - I merged the North file like all the others, and have been over it three times, and nothing seems out of place. Any ideas what my next step should be? |
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