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Post by rufff1 on Feb 13, 2019 15:02:24 GMT
I've looked at the save you posted last time and I'm pretty certain that's not stemming from my mod. My mod neither modifies portraits, not cultures, nor does it change the event that gives dragons a random trait that overwrites their portrait with a dragon picture. I have three questions: 1. When you are testing each mod, are you starting an entirely new game or just reloading the same save with different mods active? 2. When you tested More Bloodlines on its own, did you delete it and install a clean version, or did you use the version with the COngenital Overhaul Patch? If you use the congenital overhaul patch version without Congenital Overhaul weird stuff will happen. 3. Did you install BOTH my mod and the congenital patch on top of it? The patch is just a patch, it needs the main more bloodlines files to work. 1. Choose new game everytime (Dance of dragons) 2. Yes 3. Yes too I genuinely cannot duplicate this - I've tried all the dragons, Targ eggs in the Dance of Dragons, Targ eggs in the Conquest of Dorne, the Vermax egg in Winterfell, all correctly have dragon gfx and all correctly have the Targ dragon dyn As an exampke here are both of the DoD Syrax eggs hatched with correct gfx:  |
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Post by frimpo on Feb 13, 2019 18:34:27 GMT
Love this submod, thank you so much!!!
Would it be possible in this submod (or another), to create a bloodline for Houses that traditionally hold high lordships and grant those Houses traditional claims on the high lordship and capital lordship? In late games I always hate seeing XXXX "of White Harbor" or "of Runestone" holding a lordship, especially if there are Manderlys or Royces still alive. Might make things more interesting if these families always get a traditional claim on their ancestral high lordships. Just a thought!
But again, love this submod and awesome work!!!
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Post by rufff1 on Feb 13, 2019 23:22:04 GMT
Love this submod, thank you so much!!! Would it be possible in this submod (or another), to create a bloodline for Houses that traditionally hold high lordships and grant those Houses traditional claims on the high lordship and capital lordship? In late games I always hate seeing XXXX "of White Harbor" or "of Runestone" holding a lordship, especially if there are Manderlys or Royces still alive. Might make things more interesting if these families always get a traditional claim on their ancestral high lordships. Just a thought! But again, love this submod and awesome work!!! Maybe - I don't want to tread on the toes Bloodlines of Westeros too much though |
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Post by aegor on Feb 14, 2019 10:37:10 GMT
How about bloodlines for Daemon fookin Targaryen, Dagon & Balon Greyjoy if they win independence and Roger Reyne if he prevails against Tywin
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Post by rufff1 on Feb 14, 2019 11:07:07 GMT
How about bloodlines for Daemon fookin Targaryen, Dagon & Balon Greyjoy if they win independence and Roger Reyne if he prevails against Tywin So Daemon not having a bloodline is basically a reflection of the fact that most targaryens could arguably have a bloodline and so to prevent the bloodlines either being meaningless or targs being super OP I've tried to limit them to just the very top ones (or very bottom ones), i.e. Aegon I, Jahaerys I, Maegor, and Viserys II. Daemon is an interesting character to be sure but if I gave him a bloodline I'd probably need to give Baelor Breakspear, Maekar Prince Aemond, Viserys I and Aegon V all bloodlines which is just overkill. As for the greyjoy I'm probably going to expand Greyjoy/Iron Island bloodlines at some point so might give them bloodlines in the future. For the Reynes I'm not sure, I might need think about it some more |
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Post by blackfyreboy on Feb 14, 2019 15:23:25 GMT
How about bloodlines for Daemon fookin Targaryen, Dagon & Balon Greyjoy if they win independence and Roger Reyne if he prevails against Tywin So Daemon not having a bloodline is basically a reflection of the fact that most targaryens could arguably have a bloodline and so to prevent the bloodlines either being meaningless or targs being super OP I've tried to limit them to just the very top ones (or very bottom ones), i.e. Aegon I, Jahaerys I, Maegor, and Viserys II. Daemon is an interesting character to be sure but if I gave him a bloodline I'd probably need to give Baelor Breakspear, Maekar Prince Aemond, Viserys I and Aegon V all bloodlines which is just overkill. As for the greyjoy I'm probably going to expand Greyjoy/Iron Island bloodlines at some point so might give them bloodlines in the future. For the Reynes I'm not sure, I might need think about it some more I don't think it's overkill considering how significant of a house it is. But anyway, just Baelor and Daemon would suffice, since they're SUPER important in the lore. |
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Post by rufff1 on Feb 14, 2019 18:59:35 GMT
So Daemon not having a bloodline is basically a reflection of the fact that most targaryens could arguably have a bloodline and so to prevent the bloodlines either being meaningless or targs being super OP I've tried to limit them to just the very top ones (or very bottom ones), i.e. Aegon I, Jahaerys I, Maegor, and Viserys II. Daemon is an interesting character to be sure but if I gave him a bloodline I'd probably need to give Baelor Breakspear, Maekar Prince Aemond, Viserys I and Aegon V all bloodlines which is just overkill. As for the greyjoy I'm probably going to expand Greyjoy/Iron Island bloodlines at some point so might give them bloodlines in the future. For the Reynes I'm not sure, I might need think about it some more I don't think it's overkill considering how significant of a house it is. But anyway, just Baelor and Daemon would suffice, since they're SUPER important in the lore. OK but given the information in Fire and Blood was Baelor more notable than Aemon and Baelor sons of Jahaerys? Was Daemon more important than Viserys I who ruled the realm in all but name for 60 odd years, then you've got quieter Targs who still have a profound effect on history, Aegon V and Daeron II are prominent examples, then you have others who were also extremely notable such as Daeron the Young Dragon, Prince Aemond, Baelor the Blessed. Strong cases could be made that everyone I've mentioned could get a bloodline so its a real tough call to give any a bloodline. On top of it the bloodlines are meant to symbolise the historical legacy of that person - the vassal opinion boost from Jahaerys males sense given his legacy and it takes Aerys II to negate it, but what is Daemon's legacy? His descendants already have a +2 to martial from Aegon I, a penalty with Myr, Lys and Tyrosh would suit his lore but we it seems that those cities didn't hold grudges against the Targaryens for long so what would Daemon's bloodline actually be? |
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Post by blackfyreboy on Feb 15, 2019 2:28:46 GMT
I don't think it's overkill considering how significant of a house it is. But anyway, just Baelor and Daemon would suffice, since they're SUPER important in the lore. OK but given the information in Fire and Blood was Baelor more notable than Aemon and Baelor sons of Jahaerys? Was Daemon more important than Viserys I who ruled the realm in all but name for 60 odd years, then you've got quieter Targs who still have a profound effect on history, Aegon V and Daeron II are prominent examples, then you have others who were also extremely notable such as Daeron the Young Dragon, Prince Aemond, Baelor the Blessed. Strong cases could be made that everyone I've mentioned could get a bloodline so its a real tough call to give any a bloodline. On top of it the bloodlines are meant to symbolise the historical legacy of that person - the vassal opinion boost from Jahaerys males sense given his legacy and it takes Aerys II to negate it, but what is Daemon's legacy? His descendants already have a +2 to martial from Aegon I, a penalty with Myr, Lys and Tyrosh would suit his lore but we it seems that those cities didn't hold grudges against the Targaryens for long so what would Daemon's bloodline actually be? It's up to you, honestly. I just feel like we could use one, maybe two more bloodlines for the Targaryens, considering their house's immense influence on world affairs and just how important they are for the setting. I always thought it strange that the Starks have the same (or very similar) number of bloodlines as THE Targaryens. If you're worried about them being overpowered, just... don't make them overpowered? Baelor's bloodline could just give you +5 opinion with maesters and +1 learning (a somewhat useless stat in most cases). It doesn't have to be anything more than that. Drop Aegon's martial to +1 and redistribute it to Daeron. What's the worst that could happen, scrolling through the bloodlines becomes tiresome? I just don't see the disadvantage of giving a well-defined and important dynasty plenty of bloodlines, it only adds to their lore and gives off vibes of awe and inspiration. Plus it gives you a reason to succeed as the Young Griff (even though we all know he's a Blackfyre  ) You could say the Starks have over a thousand years of history, but in reality not a lot happened for most of it. Most of their kings were not memorable or have much of an impact on world affairs, so it makes sense to limit their bloodlines despite their long history. Lastly I would like to ask you; in the 00_bloodlines.txt file you noted that you aren't going to change the Blackfyre bloodline to allow for bastard inheritance. I can respect your decision, but may I ask why you decided such, considering that it's probably the only bloodline in ASOIAF for which this rule would make sense? As well as add a layer of depth to the dynasty. Love the mod and support whatever you want to do, please don't feel pressured or disheartened by my nagging . Cheers mate. |
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Post by rufff1 on Feb 15, 2019 9:15:04 GMT
OK but given the information in Fire and Blood was Baelor more notable than Aemon and Baelor sons of Jahaerys? Was Daemon more important than Viserys I who ruled the realm in all but name for 60 odd years, then you've got quieter Targs who still have a profound effect on history, Aegon V and Daeron II are prominent examples, then you have others who were also extremely notable such as Daeron the Young Dragon, Prince Aemond, Baelor the Blessed. Strong cases could be made that everyone I've mentioned could get a bloodline so its a real tough call to give any a bloodline. On top of it the bloodlines are meant to symbolise the historical legacy of that person - the vassal opinion boost from Jahaerys males sense given his legacy and it takes Aerys II to negate it, but what is Daemon's legacy? His descendants already have a +2 to martial from Aegon I, a penalty with Myr, Lys and Tyrosh would suit his lore but we it seems that those cities didn't hold grudges against the Targaryens for long so what would Daemon's bloodline actually be? It's up to you, honestly. I just feel like we could use one, maybe two more bloodlines for the Targaryens, considering their house's immense influence on world affairs and just how important they are for the setting. I always thought it strange that the Starks have the same (or very similar) number of bloodlines as THE Targaryens. If you're worried about them being overpowered, just... don't make them overpowered? Baelor's bloodline could just give you +5 opinion with maesters and +1 learning (a somewhat useless stat in most cases). It doesn't have to be anything more than that. Drop Aegon's martial to +1 and redistribute it to Daeron. What's the worst that could happen, scrolling through the bloodlines becomes tiresome? I just don't see the disadvantage of giving a well-defined and important dynasty plenty of bloodlines, it only adds to their lore and gives off vibes of awe and inspiration. Plus it gives you a reason to succeed as the Young Griff (even though we all know he's a Blackfyre ) You could say the Starks have over a thousand years of history, but in reality not a lot happened for most of it. Most of their kings were not memorable or have much of an impact on world affairs, so it makes sense to limit their bloodlines despite their long history. Lastly I would like to ask you; in the 00_bloodlines.txt file you noted that you aren't going to change the Blackfyre bloodline to allow for bastard inheritance. I can respect your decision, but may I ask why you decided such, considering that it's probably the only bloodline in ASOIAF for which this rule would make sense? As well as add a layer of depth to the dynasty. Love the mod and support whatever you want to do, please don't feel pressured or disheartened by my nagging . Cheers mate. Thanks man, really loving that people seem to like it, and no worries, I'm enjoying tweaking it to add new features and what players want  Hmmm, I think I'll give the targ bloodlines another look - especially daeron and Baelor the blessed as the are both dead ends in the lore but a playthrough could change that, I'm also thinking a bloodline for Rhaegar (just poet opinion +5, sex appeal, and chance of being a poet) might be worth adding, I do think any new bloodline for them will be only trait gain and opinion boosts as by later bookmarks they already have +2 martial, +5 combat, +10% plot power, +2 learning, +2 diplomacy, with dany's bl offering a further +1 diplomacy and young griff's bl offering +1 martial, +1 stewardship, both of which can be inherited if they marry. So on the blackfyre bloodline, it's a base AGOT bloodline, basically all of my bloodlines are bastard inheritable, i just don't want to fiddle with the base bloodlines too much in case I mess up traditional claim (which in the case of the Blackfyres are set up just for the dynasty), to do what I could to at least mitigate this I gave them free legitimisation from the bloodline I created for them, plus as the bloodline only gives a traditional claim and dragon boost (plus they now have dragon boosts from aegon the conqueror bloodline which are inheritable for bastards) even if a bastard doesn't inherit they aren't really losing any of the interesting stuff. |
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Post by Duryn on Feb 15, 2019 14:29:57 GMT
It's up to you, honestly. I just feel like we could use one, maybe two more bloodlines for the Targaryens, considering their house's immense influence on world affairs and just how important they are for the setting. I always thought it strange that the Starks have the same (or very similar) number of bloodlines as THE Targaryens. If you're worried about them being overpowered, just... don't make them overpowered? Baelor's bloodline could just give you +5 opinion with maesters and +1 learning (a somewhat useless stat in most cases). It doesn't have to be anything more than that. Drop Aegon's martial to +1 and redistribute it to Daeron. What's the worst that could happen, scrolling through the bloodlines becomes tiresome? I just don't see the disadvantage of giving a well-defined and important dynasty plenty of bloodlines, it only adds to their lore and gives off vibes of awe and inspiration. Plus it gives you a reason to succeed as the Young Griff (even though we all know he's a Blackfyre ) You could say the Starks have over a thousand years of history, but in reality not a lot happened for most of it. Most of their kings were not memorable or have much of an impact on world affairs, so it makes sense to limit their bloodlines despite their long history. Lastly I would like to ask you; in the 00_bloodlines.txt file you noted that you aren't going to change the Blackfyre bloodline to allow for bastard inheritance. I can respect your decision, but may I ask why you decided such, considering that it's probably the only bloodline in ASOIAF for which this rule would make sense? As well as add a layer of depth to the dynasty. Love the mod and support whatever you want to do, please don't feel pressured or disheartened by my nagging . Cheers mate. Thanks man, really loving that people seem to like it, and no worries, I'm enjoying tweaking it to add new features and what players want Hmmm, I think I'll give the targ bloodlines another look - especially daeron and Baelor the blessed as the are both dead ends in the lore but a playthrough could change that, I'm also thinking a bloodline for Rhaegar (just poet opinion +5, sex appeal, and chance of being a poet) might be worth adding, I do think any new bloodline for them will be only trait gain and opinion boosts as by later bookmarks they already have +2 martial, +5 combat, +10% plot power, +2 learning, +2 diplomacy, with dany's bl offering a further +1 diplomacy and young griff's bl offering +1 martial, +1 stewardship, both of which can be inherited if they marry. So on the blackfyre bloodline, it's a base AGOT bloodline, basically all of my bloodlines are bastard inheritable, i just don't want to fiddle with the base bloodlines too much in case I mess up traditional claim (which in the case of the Blackfyres are set up just for the dynasty), to do what I could to at least mitigate this I gave them free legitimisation from the bloodline I created for them, plus as the bloodline only gives a traditional claim and dragon boost (plus they now have dragon boosts from aegon the conqueror bloodline which are inheritable for bastards) even if a bastard doesn't inherit they aren't really losing any of the interesting stuff. Just out of curiosity, is there any concern with performance slowdown and save bloat with an excessive amount of bloodlines? Not saying it happens now, because it definitely doesn't (for me at least  ) but would having too many bloodlines recording every members charid be an issue? |
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Post by rufff1 on Feb 15, 2019 15:10:28 GMT
Thanks man, really loving that people seem to like it, and no worries, I'm enjoying tweaking it to add new features and what players want Hmmm, I think I'll give the targ bloodlines another look - especially daeron and Baelor the blessed as the are both dead ends in the lore but a playthrough could change that, I'm also thinking a bloodline for Rhaegar (just poet opinion +5, sex appeal, and chance of being a poet) might be worth adding, I do think any new bloodline for them will be only trait gain and opinion boosts as by later bookmarks they already have +2 martial, +5 combat, +10% plot power, +2 learning, +2 diplomacy, with dany's bl offering a further +1 diplomacy and young griff's bl offering +1 martial, +1 stewardship, both of which can be inherited if they marry. So on the blackfyre bloodline, it's a base AGOT bloodline, basically all of my bloodlines are bastard inheritable, i just don't want to fiddle with the base bloodlines too much in case I mess up traditional claim (which in the case of the Blackfyres are set up just for the dynasty), to do what I could to at least mitigate this I gave them free legitimisation from the bloodline I created for them, plus as the bloodline only gives a traditional claim and dragon boost (plus they now have dragon boosts from aegon the conqueror bloodline which are inheritable for bastards) even if a bastard doesn't inherit they aren't really losing any of the interesting stuff. Just out of curiosity, is there any concern with performance slowdown and save bloat with an excessive amount of bloodlines? Not saying it happens now, because it definitely doesn't (for me at least ) but would having too many bloodlines recording every members charid be an issue? So it could definitely cause save bloat, which is why I've tried to only have a few super huge bloodlines - Gardener, Grey King, Grazdhan, Walder Frey post AFFC, plus the Bloodlines of Westeros all inheritance option, as I understand it, must have some huge bloodlines but I haven't heard of it slowing things. all a bloodline really is, is a character modifier and the game should definitely be able to handle a few hundred characters with an extra character modifier |
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Post by Duryn on Feb 15, 2019 15:31:28 GMT
Just out of curiosity, is there any concern with performance slowdown and save bloat with an excessive amount of bloodlines? Not saying it happens now, because it definitely doesn't (for me at least ) but would having too many bloodlines recording every members charid be an issue? So it could definitely cause save bloat, which is why I've tried to only have a few super huge bloodlines - Gardener, Grey King, Grazdhan, Walder Frey post AFFC, plus the Bloodlines of Westeros all inheritance option, as I understand it, must have some huge bloodlines but I haven't heard of it slowing things. all a bloodline really is, is a character modifier and the game should definitely be able to handle a few hundred characters with an extra character modifier Ahh, alright. That's great to know actually. I doubt many, if any, are experiencing any sort of performance slowdown but one could argue that, for the sake of compatibility and performance, it would be best to limit bloodlines and extras to what's most important and useful/meaningful. That's why I appreciate the fact you've added in some of the best/useful bloodlines that add to the gameplay and RP lore too. I meant to ask, do any of these custom bloodlines also have unique features to them? I'm new to bloodline modding but I remember reading that you could actually add "features" to them too, right? |
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Post by rufff1 on Feb 15, 2019 15:47:54 GMT
So it could definitely cause save bloat, which is why I've tried to only have a few super huge bloodlines - Gardener, Grey King, Grazdhan, Walder Frey post AFFC, plus the Bloodlines of Westeros all inheritance option, as I understand it, must have some huge bloodlines but I haven't heard of it slowing things. all a bloodline really is, is a character modifier and the game should definitely be able to handle a few hundred characters with an extra character modifier Ahh, alright. That's great to know actually. I doubt many, if any, are experiencing any sort of performance slowdown but one could argue that, for the sake of compatibility and performance, it would be best to limit bloodlines and extras to what's most important and useful/meaningful. That's why I appreciate the fact you've added in some of the best/useful bloodlines that add to the gameplay and RP lore too. I meant to ask, do any of these custom bloodlines also have unique features to them? I'm new to bloodline modding but I remember reading that you could actually add "features" to them too, right? Do you mean created bloodlines in vanilla ckii or in base AGOT? |
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Post by Duryn on Feb 15, 2019 15:53:21 GMT
Do you mean created bloodlines in vanilla ckii or in base AGOT? Not sure actually, either or? I'm going to safely assume it's Vanilla CK2 since I believe I saw the whole "feature" thing on the CK2 wiki. Right Here Actually |
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Post by rufff1 on Feb 15, 2019 16:12:40 GMT
Do you mean created bloodlines in vanilla ckii or in base AGOT? Not sure actually, either or? I'm going to safely assume it's Vanilla CK2 since I believe I saw the whole "feature" thing on the CK2 wiki. Right Here ActuallyYeah so besides the trait gain feature (which is based off a heavily tweaked version of the code that gives child of destiny the ambitious trait) a few bloodlines use bloodline effects from vanilla - if you have the blood of Robb Stark, Gerold the Great Lannister or Gregor Clegane you have a higher chance of capturing enemies, if you are a Hoare you have an increased chance of raiding artifacts, if you have the Jahaerys bloodline your council will obey your decisions more often. Plus its worth noting that the supposedly "basic" bloodline bonuses can actually be quite extensive in a way that meshes nicely with lore - Marcher bloodlines have morale defences - emphasising their role at holding the line, Blackwoods get a boost with archers, whereas Brackens have a boost with cavalry (reflecting their traditional preference in warfare), you can add really specific opinion bonuses, ie making hunters like the Tarlys and Crakehalls, or poets like the Carons for example. If you want to get even further into it you can tweak AI rationality or honour via bloodline, but I felt that was best done via trait gain making it likely they gain traits that made them dishonourable rather than having a Bolton who had somehow gained the honourable trait still murdering everyone |
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