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Post by Salty_Balls on Nov 7, 2017 6:52:37 GMT
Being able to conquer everything in sight seems a bit overpowered for the ironborn, I mean i understand that it is pretty situational (since one must be ambitious or ruthless or smth else of the sorts in order to use that special cb) but wouldn't it make more sense to have the cb target encompass only 1 dutchy at a time instead of the whole targeted realm?
Suggestion:Nerf the ironborn invasion cb to have it mimic the pirate invasion cb.
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Post by ValyrianNostalgist on Nov 9, 2017 10:36:27 GMT
Nice idea! I think it really makes sense considering that it was quite rare for the Ironborn to seize entire kingdoms/regions and that for the most part they raided and seized small territories (Bear Island, Fair Isle etc). Perhaps adding additional trait requirements (third or fourth tier martial education, skilled or master warrior, strategist etc) would help rectify this?
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Post by Hamilton on Nov 10, 2017 22:48:50 GMT
It wouldnt be faithful to canon since Balon claimed the entire North. But the cb could be restricted by traits, martial, prestige, etc.
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Post by Salty_Balls on Nov 11, 2017 7:14:36 GMT
It wouldnt be faithful to canon since Balon claimed the entire North. But the cb could be restricted by traits, martial, prestige, etc. The faithfulness to canon in that regard is already represented in the mod via the classic "expand the realm by conquest" ambition which allows any independent ruler to invade another realm once per lifetime. In fact if you think about it having the ironborn cb work as it does atm is on the contrary none lore friendly, since there weren't any instances of ironborn kings taking over more that 1 kingdom in their respective lifespans (while the given cb allows you to conquer infinite number of kingdoms while playing as the same character), on the other hand having the cb's target be limited to 1 duchy at a time would allow to quite precisely imitate how according to canon ironborn kings instead of taking over whole kingdoms(which was a very rare thing) would instead concentrate on obtaining small footholds on the mainland that would serve to simplify their raiding efforts (e.g. the shield isles, bear isle, etc). |
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Post by servebotfrank on Nov 20, 2017 2:19:04 GMT
It's not terribly overpowered since you only gain control of lands you conquered during the war. If you don't go out of your way to do that, you can quickly end up with some pissed off vassals who don't like having an Ironborn King. It already has a mechanic meant to stop you from expanding too quickly.
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Post by cenwen on Nov 20, 2017 12:54:51 GMT
It isn't overpowered at all, considering most of the time Ironborn just sit there and take stuff.
They rarely use their Cb to conquer anything beyond their realm. And even if they do, vassals usually rebel and break free.
But... probably nerfing it would make sense, considering Jade Dragon added many more CBs.
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Post by Salty_Balls on Nov 26, 2017 9:52:00 GMT
It's not terribly overpowered since you only gain control of lands you conquered during the war. If you don't go out of your way to do that, you can quickly end up with some pissed off vassals who don't like having an Ironborn King. It already has a mechanic meant to stop you from expanding too quickly. What you meant to say is that it has a mechanic to stop you from expanding too quickly but only if you apply artificial restrictions to yourself (by refusing to occupy all provinces), which obviously isn't a restriction at all. |
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Post by servebotfrank on Nov 27, 2017 1:30:20 GMT
Depending on what you're invading that can take several in game years to accomplish. And if the enemy army goes through and quickly besieges your occupied provinces (which won't take long at all) it undoes your hard work. This whole thread is leading me to believe that you've never played the ironborn for very long. Good luck keeping any land you just conquered, unless it was some independent duchy.
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Post by Salty_Balls on Nov 27, 2017 16:23:04 GMT
Depending on what you're invading that can take several in game years to accomplish. And if the enemy army goes through and quickly besieges your occupied provinces (which won't take long at all) it undoes your hard work. This whole thread is leading me to believe that you've never played the ironborn for very long. Good luck keeping any land you just conquered, unless it was some independent duchy. Dude are we talking about the same game here? It is unbelievably easy to start snowballing as the ironborn once you become king, since 99,9 % of the time you'll be in control of all of the isles at that point, which means that you have at least 15-20k levy, practically unsiegable capital and lands in general and of course the conquer everything cb. With the mentioned above resources it is incredibly easy to exploit the notoriously poor paradox ai,which in most cases will just try to make landfall at the isles, allowing you to massacre even much more numerous armies piece by piece. Hell even if the ai miraculously stays on the defensive as it should any semi competent player will still be able to lure them out into favorable terrain. so unless your attacking some mega power like the IT or facing off some dragonlord, you can just destroy the enemies army and siege away to expand your territory tenfold, in a relatively short period of time. |
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