Post by lordreyne on Oct 9, 2019 14:39:14 GMT
Hey
I'm just adding to the Thread, where it is disscussed if we should make the council Positions Titles, so we can also take Vassals of Lord Paramounts and minor Vasals of Vassals as Councilors. (I wanna add to that that it would not only be more realistic and practical but also pretty nice on a Kingdom history standpoint, because I believe you could see under whom the Hand for example has served)
THE QUEEN
What I always love about the World of Westeros, is that People who seemingly have no official Power can be the ones pulling the strings in the Shadows, especially Queens and Lady Consorts like Cersei Lannister, Ellyn Reyne, Margery Tyrell, Alysanne Targaryen and Alicent Hightower. I suggest that we have more events that show the influence a Queen or Lady can have over her Husband and thus the Realm. It would be events that would both benefit her own Power and/or the Power of her Family. So I had an Idea when I was playing as House Hightower before the Conquest. My strategy, when I play a Vassal, is to train my daughters in Intrigue so that they get the highest Intrigue Level Possible. That's what I did with my Grandaughter: Patrice Hightower. When the Game started I betrothed her to the Gardener King's Grandson (Garse is his name I believe) and took him as my Ward, due to my status as Highgarden's by far most powerful Vassal it was quickly arranged. I trained him to be content and humble and this sort of stuff, while I trained by grandaughter to be a intrigue Master. when the Boy turned 16 I married them together and I had his father assasinated so that my Grandaughter shall rise to be Queen faster (Prince Edmund didnt like me that much). When Mern died, I esseintially rulled the Court through my Grandaughter, getting a Plot started to make myself Hand of the King and she the Regent. When she bore him a son we had her Husband killed and the Hightowers ruled during his infancy, my Granddaughter as Regent and I as HotK.
You might say "Well that's exactly how you gain control, so why bother adding new events".
Because the Queen didnt really wield any power in her own, besides beeing a pawn in my assasinations and plots to get me and her to high offices. What I am asking if that we implement some events, where the Queen (or Lady) suggest her own family Members and friends to be councilors smth like:
"Your wife, Queen Patrice Hightower, has noticed the lack of a Master of Coin in your council and has discreetly suggested, at this evening's supper, that you should send for her brother Ser Tristan Hightower in Oldtown and name him your new Master of Coin"
or
"Your wife, Queen Patrice Hightower, has noticed the lack of skill of your Master of Coin Lord Ryman Redwyne and has discreetly suggested, at this evening's supper, that you send for her cousin Ser Roland Hightower in Oldtown and name him your new Master of Coin, for the betterment of the Realm"
The AI Queen would specifically target Members of her own dynasty to be called to Court, aswell as close friends who might not be of her own dynasty. The AI would also select the most close relatives and the ones who have the highest stats for the job, so for example: the Queen would suggest her brother with 12 Stewardship over her second Cousin with 13 but she would also suggest her second Cousin with 17 Stewardship over her brother with 8 Stewardship (Write a reply if this is unclear). If accepted, a little time would go by, maybe a couple of weeks or months (this has a reason that will be explained later) before the charachter arrives at Court and takes the Position. when the Position is taken, the character is kinda for ever in debt with the Queen and will accept every Plot she asks of him and will always vote in her favor on Council Votings.
These kind of events will more likely be triggered when the Queen is ambitious, proud, family person, authoritative, selfish, deciteful or has a high intrigue skill.
But how will this benefit me, the player, the father, grandfather, uncle or brother of the Queen? Simple: you could trigger the event, with a diplomatic Option on the Queen (if she resides in the same Court as her Husband) : Ask for Position at Court. Then a Event Window would pop up where you could select elegible Members of your Dynasty or a Vassal and then what kind of Position you would like to see them in. If the AI King accepts the request of his wife has many factors.
1. Your standing with the Queen (If your Daughter/Granddaughter/Niece/Sister has a bad relationship with you she wont accept the task, maybe if she has an opinion lower than -10 it will be a no go)
2. the standing of the Queen to the King (if they are rivals it wont work, if they are lovers it is a pretty good chance, if they are friends it's even better)
3. relationship of the Councilor, you try to get fired, and the King (if they are rivals he will take anyone, if they are lovers it will get difficult, if they are friends even more difficult)
4. skills of your propsition (If the Character you would like to have as councilor has a much lower skill level that the default councilor the AI would appoint, it will get difficult)
If you manage to get him appointed as Councilor the Councilor wouldn't only be in debt to your Daughter/close female relative the Queen but also to you, always asking you how to vote on state affairs and always joining your plots. Though you have to be careful that the Queen doesn't get more hold of him (marked by better relationship) than you and uses him for her own ambitions.
But the Queen, on her own, wouldn't just act to empower her Family. The difference between the close male relative asking the Queen to get a Family Member or Vassal appointed, and the Queen doing it own her own, is that the close male relative does it to empower the Family, his Kingdom (for example the tyrells also getting prominent Reachmen Lords on the Council) and his own standing through the Queen, while the Queen, when acting on her own, does it to empower herself at court. Thus she can also ask for close friends of hers, who might not be her relatives, to be made a councilor, or that a close female friend and her husband could be ordered to court to be her Handmaiden, but that would simply be there so she could have more plot power at court.
The Queen would likely act more on her own behalf if she is authoritative, selfish, ambitious, proud and diligent and would likely act more on her family's behalf if she is a familyperson, kind, ambitious, proud and diligent
I think that those events would make an ambitious, proud and authoritative Queen a much, much bigger player in the Game at Court and a real threat to any established power. This could also very well be used to mirror a kind of Cersei-Margaery dynamic, where Margaery and the rest of the Tyrells try to flod the Red Keep and make it a Rose Garden, as not only the current Queen but also the Queen Mother, aswell as close friends and lovers could make such demands and suggestions
THE COUNCIL
The Council, and especially the Hand/Castellan would have simmilar Events to that of the Queen. Just like the Queen, they could promote their own Family Members and Friends to be in Positions of Power and simmilar to the Queen, these new Council Members would kind off be for ever in debt with the Councolor that got them into power in the first place. Simmilar to when a close male relative asks his (Grand)daughter/niece to appoint a Vassal to the Council, would already present Councilors activly prusue to see not only their own dynasty but Vassals of their Kingdom in both Minor Positions and direct Council Positions at Court. This would only expand the power of the established councilor, simmilar to how the Queen would expand her power that way, though the Queen would rarely pleed for Vassals of her Kingdom/Duchy/County to be appointed as Councilors, unless they, or their wives would be a close friend or lover of the Queen. So we would have a triggred event in which a Councilor would try to get his kin or bannerman appointed smth like:
"After today's Council meeting, your Master of Laws, Lord Monford Osgrey, stayed behind to voice his concerns over the lack of a Master of Coin on the Council, and has suggested that I send to Coldmoat for his brother, Ser Alester Osgrey, and appoint him as your new Master of Coin"
or
"After today's Councilmeeting, your Master of Laws, Lord Monford Osgrey, stayed behind to voice his concerns over the lack of skill of your Current Hand Lord Ossifer Peake, and has suggested that I send to Red Lake for his vassal, Lord Cetheres Crane, and appoint him as your new Hand"
The AI Councilor would specifically target Members of his own dynasty to be called to Court, aswell as close friends and direct Vassals. Just as with the Queen, the AI would also select the most close relatives and the ones who have the highest stats for the job, so for example: the Councilor would suggest his brother with 12 Stewardship over his second Cousin with 13 but he would also suggest his second Cousin with 17 Stewardship over his brother with 8 Stwardship. Then again would the Councilor always favour his own Family Members over his Vassals and would favour Vassals who are his kin over Vassals who are not. If accepted, a little time would go by, maybe a couple of weeks or months (this has a reason that will be explained later) before the relative arrives at Court and takes the Position. Just as it would be in case with the Queen, when the Position is taken, the character is kinda for ever in debt with the Councilor and will accept every Plot he asks of him and will always vote in his favor on Council Votings.
These kind of events will more likely be triggered when the Councilor is ambitious, proud, family person, authoritative, selfish, deciteful or has a high intrigue skill.
Simmilar to the Queen, you the player, could trigger this event by opening the diplomacy menu with the King and clicking on the Option: Ask for Position at Court. Then a Event Window would pop up where you could select elegible Members of your Dynasty or a Vassal and then what kind of Position you would like to see them in. If the AI King accepts has many factors.
1. Your standing with the King (If you have a bad relationship with your liege he wont accept, here we could also say that when you are at -10 it would be a no go, if you are the King's lover you would have a very high chance, if you are the King's friend, it would be even higher)
3. relationship of the Councilor you try to get fired and the King (if they are rivals he will take anyone, if they are lovers it will get difficult, if they are friends even more difficult)
4. skills of your propsition (If the Character you would like to have as councilor has a much lower skill level that the default councilor the AI would appoint, it will get difficult)
but besides the appointment to high and low Council and Court Positions, the Councilor would have another Event, that I think the AI in both the Mod and the Vanilla Game rarely use and that is to arrange a marriage or betrothal between the Councilor or one of his kin, to the King or one of his kin smth like:
"After today's Council meething, my Master of Coin, Lord Ryman Redwyne invited me to dine with him later. At said supper, after we had feasted and drunken the finest Arbor Gold, he revealed his true intentions and proposed a betrothal between my daughter Princess Violet Gardener and his son Ser Eric Redwyne, the heir to the Arbor, to deepen the bond of friendship between us"
just as with the Council Positions, this event would be triggred if the Councilor is ambitious, proud, family person, authoritative, selfish, deciteful or has a high intrigue skill. The AI Councilor would have a priority list when it comes what kind of a match he proposes:
the AI Councilor would avoid making matches with Members of the Dynasty who are deeper down in the succession i.e a Liege's first Cousin or great uncle. If the AI King accept, just as with the Council Positions would have many factors, similar to how regular proposed marriages would be handled, councilor proposed marriages would have certain perks though. The factors would be:
I'm just adding to the Thread, where it is disscussed if we should make the council Positions Titles, so we can also take Vassals of Lord Paramounts and minor Vasals of Vassals as Councilors. (I wanna add to that that it would not only be more realistic and practical but also pretty nice on a Kingdom history standpoint, because I believe you could see under whom the Hand for example has served)
THE QUEEN
What I always love about the World of Westeros, is that People who seemingly have no official Power can be the ones pulling the strings in the Shadows, especially Queens and Lady Consorts like Cersei Lannister, Ellyn Reyne, Margery Tyrell, Alysanne Targaryen and Alicent Hightower. I suggest that we have more events that show the influence a Queen or Lady can have over her Husband and thus the Realm. It would be events that would both benefit her own Power and/or the Power of her Family. So I had an Idea when I was playing as House Hightower before the Conquest. My strategy, when I play a Vassal, is to train my daughters in Intrigue so that they get the highest Intrigue Level Possible. That's what I did with my Grandaughter: Patrice Hightower. When the Game started I betrothed her to the Gardener King's Grandson (Garse is his name I believe) and took him as my Ward, due to my status as Highgarden's by far most powerful Vassal it was quickly arranged. I trained him to be content and humble and this sort of stuff, while I trained by grandaughter to be a intrigue Master. when the Boy turned 16 I married them together and I had his father assasinated so that my Grandaughter shall rise to be Queen faster (Prince Edmund didnt like me that much). When Mern died, I esseintially rulled the Court through my Grandaughter, getting a Plot started to make myself Hand of the King and she the Regent. When she bore him a son we had her Husband killed and the Hightowers ruled during his infancy, my Granddaughter as Regent and I as HotK.
You might say "Well that's exactly how you gain control, so why bother adding new events".
Because the Queen didnt really wield any power in her own, besides beeing a pawn in my assasinations and plots to get me and her to high offices. What I am asking if that we implement some events, where the Queen (or Lady) suggest her own family Members and friends to be councilors smth like:
"Your wife, Queen Patrice Hightower, has noticed the lack of a Master of Coin in your council and has discreetly suggested, at this evening's supper, that you should send for her brother Ser Tristan Hightower in Oldtown and name him your new Master of Coin"
or
"Your wife, Queen Patrice Hightower, has noticed the lack of skill of your Master of Coin Lord Ryman Redwyne and has discreetly suggested, at this evening's supper, that you send for her cousin Ser Roland Hightower in Oldtown and name him your new Master of Coin, for the betterment of the Realm"
The AI Queen would specifically target Members of her own dynasty to be called to Court, aswell as close friends who might not be of her own dynasty. The AI would also select the most close relatives and the ones who have the highest stats for the job, so for example: the Queen would suggest her brother with 12 Stewardship over her second Cousin with 13 but she would also suggest her second Cousin with 17 Stewardship over her brother with 8 Stewardship (Write a reply if this is unclear). If accepted, a little time would go by, maybe a couple of weeks or months (this has a reason that will be explained later) before the charachter arrives at Court and takes the Position. when the Position is taken, the character is kinda for ever in debt with the Queen and will accept every Plot she asks of him and will always vote in her favor on Council Votings.
These kind of events will more likely be triggered when the Queen is ambitious, proud, family person, authoritative, selfish, deciteful or has a high intrigue skill.
But how will this benefit me, the player, the father, grandfather, uncle or brother of the Queen? Simple: you could trigger the event, with a diplomatic Option on the Queen (if she resides in the same Court as her Husband) : Ask for Position at Court. Then a Event Window would pop up where you could select elegible Members of your Dynasty or a Vassal and then what kind of Position you would like to see them in. If the AI King accepts the request of his wife has many factors.
1. Your standing with the Queen (If your Daughter/Granddaughter/Niece/Sister has a bad relationship with you she wont accept the task, maybe if she has an opinion lower than -10 it will be a no go)
2. the standing of the Queen to the King (if they are rivals it wont work, if they are lovers it is a pretty good chance, if they are friends it's even better)
3. relationship of the Councilor, you try to get fired, and the King (if they are rivals he will take anyone, if they are lovers it will get difficult, if they are friends even more difficult)
4. skills of your propsition (If the Character you would like to have as councilor has a much lower skill level that the default councilor the AI would appoint, it will get difficult)
5. Skills of the Councilor you try to get fired if there already exists someone in that position (If there is already someone in that Position it will be more difficult to get rid if him in favour of one of your relatives, especially if the Councilor has a very high skill level in the respective Dicipline
6. The Traits of the King (is he humble, content and trusting or stubborn, proud, cyncial and deciteful)
If you manage to get him appointed as Councilor the Councilor wouldn't only be in debt to your Daughter/close female relative the Queen but also to you, always asking you how to vote on state affairs and always joining your plots. Though you have to be careful that the Queen doesn't get more hold of him (marked by better relationship) than you and uses him for her own ambitions.
But the Queen, on her own, wouldn't just act to empower her Family. The difference between the close male relative asking the Queen to get a Family Member or Vassal appointed, and the Queen doing it own her own, is that the close male relative does it to empower the Family, his Kingdom (for example the tyrells also getting prominent Reachmen Lords on the Council) and his own standing through the Queen, while the Queen, when acting on her own, does it to empower herself at court. Thus she can also ask for close friends of hers, who might not be her relatives, to be made a councilor, or that a close female friend and her husband could be ordered to court to be her Handmaiden, but that would simply be there so she could have more plot power at court.
The Queen would likely act more on her own behalf if she is authoritative, selfish, ambitious, proud and diligent and would likely act more on her family's behalf if she is a familyperson, kind, ambitious, proud and diligent
I think that those events would make an ambitious, proud and authoritative Queen a much, much bigger player in the Game at Court and a real threat to any established power. This could also very well be used to mirror a kind of Cersei-Margaery dynamic, where Margaery and the rest of the Tyrells try to flod the Red Keep and make it a Rose Garden, as not only the current Queen but also the Queen Mother, aswell as close friends and lovers could make such demands and suggestions
THE COUNCIL
The Council, and especially the Hand/Castellan would have simmilar Events to that of the Queen. Just like the Queen, they could promote their own Family Members and Friends to be in Positions of Power and simmilar to the Queen, these new Council Members would kind off be for ever in debt with the Councolor that got them into power in the first place. Simmilar to when a close male relative asks his (Grand)daughter/niece to appoint a Vassal to the Council, would already present Councilors activly prusue to see not only their own dynasty but Vassals of their Kingdom in both Minor Positions and direct Council Positions at Court. This would only expand the power of the established councilor, simmilar to how the Queen would expand her power that way, though the Queen would rarely pleed for Vassals of her Kingdom/Duchy/County to be appointed as Councilors, unless they, or their wives would be a close friend or lover of the Queen. So we would have a triggred event in which a Councilor would try to get his kin or bannerman appointed smth like:
"After today's Council meeting, your Master of Laws, Lord Monford Osgrey, stayed behind to voice his concerns over the lack of a Master of Coin on the Council, and has suggested that I send to Coldmoat for his brother, Ser Alester Osgrey, and appoint him as your new Master of Coin"
or
"After today's Councilmeeting, your Master of Laws, Lord Monford Osgrey, stayed behind to voice his concerns over the lack of skill of your Current Hand Lord Ossifer Peake, and has suggested that I send to Red Lake for his vassal, Lord Cetheres Crane, and appoint him as your new Hand"
The AI Councilor would specifically target Members of his own dynasty to be called to Court, aswell as close friends and direct Vassals. Just as with the Queen, the AI would also select the most close relatives and the ones who have the highest stats for the job, so for example: the Councilor would suggest his brother with 12 Stewardship over his second Cousin with 13 but he would also suggest his second Cousin with 17 Stewardship over his brother with 8 Stwardship. Then again would the Councilor always favour his own Family Members over his Vassals and would favour Vassals who are his kin over Vassals who are not. If accepted, a little time would go by, maybe a couple of weeks or months (this has a reason that will be explained later) before the relative arrives at Court and takes the Position. Just as it would be in case with the Queen, when the Position is taken, the character is kinda for ever in debt with the Councilor and will accept every Plot he asks of him and will always vote in his favor on Council Votings.
These kind of events will more likely be triggered when the Councilor is ambitious, proud, family person, authoritative, selfish, deciteful or has a high intrigue skill.
Simmilar to the Queen, you the player, could trigger this event by opening the diplomacy menu with the King and clicking on the Option: Ask for Position at Court. Then a Event Window would pop up where you could select elegible Members of your Dynasty or a Vassal and then what kind of Position you would like to see them in. If the AI King accepts has many factors.
1. Your standing with the King (If you have a bad relationship with your liege he wont accept, here we could also say that when you are at -10 it would be a no go, if you are the King's lover you would have a very high chance, if you are the King's friend, it would be even higher)
3. relationship of the Councilor you try to get fired and the King (if they are rivals he will take anyone, if they are lovers it will get difficult, if they are friends even more difficult)
4. skills of your propsition (If the Character you would like to have as councilor has a much lower skill level that the default councilor the AI would appoint, it will get difficult)
5. Skills of the Councilor you try to get fired if there already exists someone in that position (If there is already someone in that Position it will be more difficult to get rid if him in favour of one of your relatives, especially if the Councilor has a very high skill level in the respective Dicipline
6. The Traits of the King (is he humble, content and trusting or stubborn, proud and deciteful)
but besides the appointment to high and low Council and Court Positions, the Councilor would have another Event, that I think the AI in both the Mod and the Vanilla Game rarely use and that is to arrange a marriage or betrothal between the Councilor or one of his kin, to the King or one of his kin smth like:
"After today's Council meething, my Master of Coin, Lord Ryman Redwyne invited me to dine with him later. At said supper, after we had feasted and drunken the finest Arbor Gold, he revealed his true intentions and proposed a betrothal between my daughter Princess Violet Gardener and his son Ser Eric Redwyne, the heir to the Arbor, to deepen the bond of friendship between us"
just as with the Council Positions, this event would be triggred if the Councilor is ambitious, proud, family person, authoritative, selfish, deciteful or has a high intrigue skill. The AI Councilor would have a priority list when it comes what kind of a match he proposes:
- The King's/Liege's daughter or heir's daughter (the higher in the succession the better) to his Heir
- The King's/Liege's daughter or heir's daughter (the higher in the succession the better) to one of his younger sons
- The King's/Liege's daughter or heir's daughter (the higher in the succession the better) to a close male relative (brother, nephew, uncle (in that order))
- The King's/Liege's daughter or heir's daughter (the higher in the succession the better) to a distant male relative (first Cousin or further)
- The King's/Liege's son or heir's son (the higher in the succession the better) to his eldest Daughter
- The King's/Liege's son or heir's son (the higher in the succession the better) to one of his younger daughters
- The King's/Liege's son or heir's son (the higher in the succession the better) to a close female relative (sister, niece or aunt (in that order)
- The King's/Liege's son or heir's son (the higher in the succession the better) to a distant female relative (first Cousin or further)
the AI Councilor would avoid making matches with Members of the Dynasty who are deeper down in the succession i.e a Liege's first Cousin or great uncle. If the AI King accept, just as with the Council Positions would have many factors, similar to how regular proposed marriages would be handled, councilor proposed marriages would have certain perks though. The factors would be:
- What is the Position of the Proposer (how far up is he in the Realm tree, the King/Liege Lord is more likely to accept the proposal from a Lord that is one of his more powerful Vassals)
- The standing of the Proposer and the King (If they are rivals it would be a no go, if they are friends it would be with utter most certanty, of they are lovers there is a high chance)
- The Position of the proposed suitor (Is he the Heir of a Great House or is he just the younger son of some Landed Knight)
- The Position his relative would be in (mostly for Daughters. Would she be the Lady of Oldtown or the Lady of Nateby (a smal Castle in the Northmarch, you get what I'm saying))
- What are the traits of the proposed suitor (is he/she intelligent, fair, kind etc., or cruel, arbitrary etc.)
- The Traits of the King (is he humble, content and trusting or stubborn, proud and deciteful)
Base Reluctance and Prestige wouldn't play any Role in the Proposal, so technically you, a Minor Lord could get your Daughter to be Queen, through this event. Additionally I would like to add that the acceptance for regular proposed marriages would be set higher, it cannot be that the King of the Reach for example agrees to marry his eldest Daughter to the Heir of Grassy Vale, a House with no respective Bloodline (That we know of at the current moment) or big swafts of Land.
If the Proposal is arranged, it might take a couple of weeks or months (this has a reason) until the betrothal is made public/when they are officially betrothed
THE GAME IN THE SHADOWS
As I said before, most of these proposals, when accepted, will get multiple weeks or even months to be made official. This is so that other players in the Court might react to it I imagined it being this way. Let's say you're playing the Lord of the Arbor and you are the Hand of the King under House Gardener. The Current, ambitious Queen of the Reach is a Hightower who kinda has a grip on her Husband i.e they are Lovers, but she kind of resents you, who is one of the closest advisors of the King, so there will always be a back and forth for the favour of the King between you and the AI Queen. So let's say, the AI Queen has triggred the event where she has proposed that the empty Master of Coin Position should be granted to her brother who currently is at Court in Oldtown and the King said he would do so. Imagined it that when she succeeded a message should pop up like
"You were in you Solar working on some matters of State, when a quiet servant girl enters the room, a spy of yours, who had overheard how the Queen has convinced her Husband to give the empty Position of Master of Coin to her brother Ser Manfred Hightower. The King has made arrangements to send for him and he should arrive in a couple moons turn at Court to fulfil this Position"
When this message pops up you have two Options
- Do nothing
- intervene
When you do nothing, the Queen and her father will succeed and would have another man in her service at Court. If you choose to move against the Queen it will deepen the strive between you. If you intervene against the descision the King will ask you to propose a different Character for the Task. You can then choose between one of your vassals or one of your kin. If the King accepts has the same requirements as when you would want to propose a Councilor: How much does the King like you, how much does the King like his wife, what are the Skills of your proposed character compared to the one proposed by the Queen, how much does the King like your proposed character compared to the one proposed by the Queen, what are the Traits of the King, is he humble, content and trusting or stubborn, proud and deciteful.
You can also descide to have the Queen's man killed, and even choose this option after the King would have denied your request, though if it succeeds would have the same requirements as with a general assasination i.e your intrigue skill, but remember that if you should succeed the Queen might do the same to your proposed character. If the Queen succeeds you can still work to move against the Queen's man when he is residing at Court and can even work to get him fired and replaced with one of yor kin/vassals/friends.
These same chain of events can also happen when your rival descides to have a councilor fired in favor of one of her friends/kin/family's Vassals. But it shouldn't just be Councilors vs the Queen, it should also be Councilors vs Councilors, Councilors vs Dowager Queen, Councilors vs Close Friends or Lovers, the Queen vs the Dowager Queen, the Queen vs the close friends and lovers, and the Dowager Queen vs close friends and lovers. All in all I think these kind of events would enhance the political games at Court, aswell as making it more enjoyable to play as a vassal and making a more GoT-Style approach in gaining power. It would also enhance the importance of marrying your Dynasty Members into prestigious Courts as , for example, when you're playing the as the Lord of Oldtown and your Daughter is Lady of Casterly Rock, you could enhance Hightower influence on the governence of the West by sending unlanded sons to Casterly Rock on the behest of your daughter and those sons asking you how to vote on Westerland state affairs etc. It would also enhance the importance of sending your Sons and Daughters as Wards to your liege's Court so that they can befriend your liege's heir and thus have a lower chance of getting fired on the behest of other courtiers. All in all, I believe it would create a more realistic, politics driven game
~ Lord Reyne