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Post by lordcorvocrowlover on Aug 24, 2019 17:47:11 GMT
Close relative marriages in Westeros is too common and despite this, there are very few, if any, obvious inbreds both in the main story and history. At the very least tune it down; not only in it’s occurence rate but also the maluses.
Tywin married his cousin and his children had three others from incest and yet these five are all perfectly healthy, save for Cersei and Joffrey being mad and even then Joffrey’s is attributed to his upbringing.
We know of several Frey cousins that married to each other but are healthy.
There are close-kin Stark marriages yet no ill effects of inbreeding.
Lady Whent was married to a cousin but their childrenwere perfectly fine.
There were several cousin marriages in House Arryn and yet they seem fine.
These are just some examples off the top of my head.
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Post by argotin on Aug 25, 2019 19:46:28 GMT
There isn't 100% chance that your children will be somewhat slower or weaker if you bang your own sister, it just increases these chances. And there are evidence that incest in ASOIAF makes characters ill. Cersei starts to be mad, Tyrion is a dwarf, Joffrey is mad, we don't know much of Freys but many of them aren't really bright, we don't know what kind of people were Shella's Whent children, but all died before Game of Thrones, and Jon Arryn had a problem with producing an heir.
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Post by Elotyr on Aug 25, 2019 20:03:50 GMT
Close relative marriages in Westeros is too common and despite this, there are very few, if any, obvious inbreds both in the main story and history. At the very least tune it down; not only in it’s occurence rate but also the maluses. Tywin married his cousin and his children had three others from incest and yet these five are all perfectly healthy, save for Cersei and Joffrey being mad and even then Joffrey’s is attributed to his upbringing. We know of several Frey cousins that married to each other but are healthy. There are close-kin Stark marriages yet no ill effects of inbreeding. Lady Whent was married to a cousin but their childrenwere perfectly fine. There were several cousin marriages in House Arryn and yet they seem fine. These are just some examples off the top of my head. |
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Post by valery on Aug 25, 2019 20:12:14 GMT
Are they mad from inbreeding or from other factors?
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Post by lordumber93 on Aug 25, 2019 22:42:50 GMT
Are they mad from inbreeding or from other factors? Cersai has had psychosis like aspects from childhood. Pinching her brothers privates, threatening to kill her friends, etc. That's inbred mental instability, not upbringing. |
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Post by argotin on Aug 26, 2019 6:08:58 GMT
Yeah, but Roslin makes it up for the entire familly |
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Post by Elotyr on Aug 26, 2019 6:17:58 GMT
Yeah, but Roslin makes it up for the entire familly Yes, but no when comes to the inbreeding point, she was the daughter of Walder with his Rosby wife, so this one wasn't inbreed, what shows  Edit: put the image in spoiler to not take space in the threath it a repeated pic  |
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Post by lordcorvocrowlover on Aug 26, 2019 7:59:11 GMT
There isn't 100% chance that your children will be somewhat slower or weaker if you bang your own sister, it just increases these chances. And there are evidence that incest in ASOIAF makes characters ill. Cersei starts to be mad, Tyrion is a dwarf, Joffrey is mad, we don't know much of Freys but many of them aren't really bright, we don't know what kind of people were Shella's Whent children, but all died before Game of Thrones, and Jon Arryn had a problem with producing an heir. Perhaps, but as said in the first post, “lower it’s negative effects”. Tyrion’s, or Cersei’s “inbredness” you propose doesn’t seem to have affected them as seriously as the in game trait suggests. Also There are many “simple” people and mad people and physically impaired people that to our knowledge weren’t inbreds so not all these people’s defects, mental or otherwise, can be explained with inbreeding. Finally, Shella’s children; a daughter was a queen of love and beauty, several knighted sons defending her place in the Harrenhal tourney. Perhaps there could be a good compromise in adding several layers of inbreeding. There’s a mod, improves genetics, that I really think should be incorporated in to the main mod since it offers a very good inheritance system on the traits and the traits are an important aspect of this world; Lannisters are beautiful, Rosbys are weak of health, Dureandon-Baratheons and Crakehalls are strong of body, Umberd are gigantic... such things. |
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