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Post by miphex on Aug 21, 2019 1:04:33 GMT
The appendix for a Dance with Dragons features the following line,
ANDERS YRONWOOD, Lord of Yronwood, Warden of the Stone Way, the Bloodroyal,
YNYS, his eldest daughter, m. Ryon Allyrion, SER CLETUS, his son and heir, GWYNETH, his youngest daughter, a girl of twelve
I've taken this to mean that house Yronwood doesn't follow Equal Primogeniture like the rest of Dorne, but rather Male Primogeniture. If we assume Ynys is the elder of Cletus, she should be listed as the heir no? You could argue that she was simply disqualified from the line of succession, much like in game where she is disinherited, but Arianne says:
"Anders Yronwood is Criston Cole reborn. He whispers in my brother's ear that he should rule after my father, that it is not right for men to kneel to women"
—Arianne Martell to Ser Arys Oakheart, A Feast for Crows-Chapter 13
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Post by Elotyr on Aug 21, 2019 1:49:29 GMT
Well the Yronwoods are mostly andals true-and-true, so yes they want to follow the Andal way of sucession, but i thing they do in a sly way rather than just being open with it, like in the game if they elder is a woman they just find a way to disinherit her and put a son as the heir.
Also if they didn't follow the equal primogeniture law at least in the paper the others Dornish would be pissed, so better not risk it.
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Post by rufff1 on Aug 21, 2019 1:52:05 GMT
Well the Yronwoods are mostly andals true-and-true, so yes they want to follow the Andal way of sucession, but i thing they do in a sly way rather than just being open with it, like in the game if they elder is a woman they just find a way to disinherit her and put a son as the heir. Also if they didn't follow the equal primogeniture law at least in the paper the others Dornish would be pissed, so better not risk it. I think Elio got asked at a convention a few years ago if the stone dornish practiced equal primogeniture like the rest of Dorne or had more traditional Andal succession laws and he said he wasn’t sure |
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Post by lordcorvocrowlover on Aug 23, 2019 7:28:30 GMT
Well the Yronwoods are mostly andals true-and-true, so yes they want to follow the Andal way of sucession, but i thing they do in a sly way rather than just being open with it, like in the game if they elder is a woman they just find a way to disinherit her and put a son as the heir. Also if they didn't follow the equal primogeniture law at least in the paper the others Dornish would be pissed, so better not risk it. Yronwoods are first men. First men pracrice Agnatic-cognatic primogeniture.Among the Dornish, Stone Dornish are not only the least affected by the Rhoynar, but also thr least affected by Andals. |
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Post by Elotyr on Aug 23, 2019 9:27:12 GMT
Well the Yronwoods are mostly andals true-and-true, so yes they want to follow the Andal way of sucession, but i thing they do in a sly way rather than just being open with it, like in the game if they elder is a woman they just find a way to disinherit her and put a son as the heir. Also if they didn't follow the equal primogeniture law at least in the paper the others Dornish would be pissed, so better not risk it. Yronwoods are first men. First men pracrice Agnatic-cognatic primogeniture.Among the Dornish, Stone Dornish are not only the least affected by the Rhoynar, but also thr least affected by Andals. When i talk about being andal i'm talking in the cultural sense, having knights, praying to the Seven and all that. Yes the house was created by the first men, but to say they are first men, as in making no distiction between them and houses that still follow the Old Gods, don't use Knights, etc? Hardly accurated. Also they live under Dornish Law, Doran gives Arianne a entire book about it, so yeah that thing probrably has some laws about sucession. |
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Post by Karl on Aug 23, 2019 23:27:15 GMT
Yronwoods are first men. First men pracrice Agnatic-cognatic primogeniture.Among the Dornish, Stone Dornish are not only the least affected by the Rhoynar, but also thr least affected by Andals. You are correct that they have First Man blood, but you are mistaken about the Andals. The stony Dornishmen are the most influenced by the Andals of all the Dornish: In terms of Dornish inheritance laws, here's what the man himself had to say about it: (Source) |
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Post by Salty_Balls on Aug 25, 2019 14:04:33 GMT
Yeah it would definitely make more sense if the stone dornish culture lords had agnatic-cognatic succession as a default.
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Post by Toccs on Aug 26, 2019 1:34:35 GMT
Yeah it would definitely make more sense if the stone dornish culture lords had agnatic-cognatic succession as a default. That idea was debunked by GRRM. All the lords in Dorne practice the Rhoynar influenced succession. |
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Post by Karl on Aug 26, 2019 1:55:25 GMT
Yeah it would definitely make more sense if the stone dornish culture lords had agnatic-cognatic succession as a default. That idea was debunked by GRRM. All the lords in Dorne practice the Rhoynar influenced succession. "The vast majority" do, though a few might not. See the last part of the post above. |
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Post by Elotyr on Aug 26, 2019 2:07:40 GMT
That idea was debunked by GRRM. All the lords in Dorne practice the Rhoynar influenced succession. "The vast majority" do, though a few might not. See the last part of the post above. Fair, but i think this really doesn't apply to the Yronwoods, some random minor lord in the mountains? Yeah sure, they probrably can get away with not following dornish Inheritance laws, but the second most powerful house in their kingdom? Unlikely. At least not openly, as i said in my first post. |
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Post by Karl on Aug 26, 2019 2:11:05 GMT
"The vast majority" do, though a few might not. See the last part of the post above. Fair, but i think this really doesn't apply to the Yronwoods, some random minor lord in the mountains? Yeah sure, they probrably can get away with not following dornish Inheritance laws, but the second most powerful house in their kingdom? Unlikely. At least not openly, as i said in my first post. I agree about the Yronwoods. That comment was only a response to what I quoted.  |
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Post by ogarrr on Aug 26, 2019 4:01:46 GMT
Yeah it would definitely make more sense if the stone dornish culture lords had agnatic-cognatic succession as a default. That idea was debunked by GRRM. All the lords in Dorne practice the Rhoynar influenced succession. He also states that in the places least touched by the Rhoynar they keep agnatic primogeniture, so the vast majority of Dornish (including Sand and Salt) but not all. That would be the Yronwoods and their vassals (Arianne pretty much says as much when complaining about Lord Yronwood) and possibly the Daynes at least. The Targaryens even tried to bring Starfall into the seven kingdoms separately to the rest of Dorne (it was stated as such in Fire and Blood), so one would imagine that means that they're more akin to the Andals in custom. |
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