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Post by Elotyr on Aug 3, 2019 2:42:44 GMT
After playing a bit of CK2 AGOT i starting to ask myself, why the hell didn't Hoster Tully married Edmure off to someone?
Yes a answer is "Edmure just don't wanted to get married" but common, Westeros is a feudal system, a high noble dude in his 30s without a wife is prime real estate and is goddam Edmure Tully, aka the open to get in the Tully/Arryn/Stark Alliance. So they probrably are waiting for a lady of one of the other great houses do be open. The Lannister are out because Tywin's daughter and sister are already married, Doran probrably didn't want to put his heir Ariane up because his children would inherit Dorne, and the Tyrells where gunning for the Baratheons.
But this leaves Asha Greyjoy, and god good, in a aside if Robert was smart he would have taken her too after Balon Rebellion and warded her in Riverrun, could you imagine? If Asha and Edmure had hit it off the Starks would probrably have a navy during the war and the shitshow that was Theon going to negotiate this never would have happened... So yeah Hoster Tully shoes i would tried to marry him to Asha.
Now what reason do you thing Edmure was single and who you in Hoster shoes would try to marry him to?
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Post by lordumber93 on Aug 3, 2019 6:00:53 GMT
Isn't he only in his late 20's? Roughly ten years Robb's elder? Might be wrong there.
Regardless, he likes to whore around. That's the only reason. "Duty, honor, family" Tully words, without a marriage, he's no Duty to Honor his Family.
If I was Hoster, I would've went for Mya Stone. Bastard daughter of the King? Yep, maybe not as prestigious as a true born, but, she's strong and beautiful...and the king's bastard.
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Post by Elotyr on Aug 3, 2019 8:11:59 GMT
Isn't he only in his late 20's? Roughly ten years Robb's elder? Might be wrong there. Regardless, he likes to whore around. That's the only reason. "Duty, honor, family" Tully words, without a marriage, he's no Duty to Honor his Family. If I was Hoster, I would've went for Mya Stone. Bastard daughter of the King? Yep, maybe not as prestigious as a true born, but, she's strong and beautiful...and the king's bastard. Well, about his age the AWOIAF Wiki say: Born In or between 267 AC and 274 AC, so may be from any age from 25 to 35 years old, i don't think GRRM specified really. Btw reading a bit of it seems that Hoster atleast tried to make some moves to that, asking Arianne Martell to meet him in Riverrun but Doran declined. So i think yeah, the Floppy Fish liking to whore around was a bit of a factor, but he didn't had so much a say that Hoster was leaving it alone as he did with the Black Fish. Mya is beatiful and yeah strong childs are good, but marrying to a King Bastard can be a really shoot in the foot because the marriage wouldn't really mean any aliance making and the "True" children of the King, when they get the throne could be not so happy with a highlord marrying someone who line could try a claim for the Seven Kingdoms. Don't mentioning that the Lannisters also probrably wouldn't be happy with that. In a aside, if it was up to Edmure i can see he going for Desmera Redwyne before the War of the Five Kings, a navy if war comes+free Arbor Wine? The dude is already sold  |
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Post by rufff1 on Aug 3, 2019 22:36:34 GMT
Isn't he only in his late 20's? Roughly ten years Robb's elder? Might be wrong there. Regardless, he likes to whore around. That's the only reason. "Duty, honor, family" Tully words, without a marriage, he's no Duty to Honor his Family. If I was Hoster, I would've went for Mya Stone. Bastard daughter of the King? Yep, maybe not as prestigious as a true born, but, she's strong and beautiful...and the king's bastard. Well, about his age the AWOIAF Wiki say: Born In or between 267 AC and 274 AC, so may be from any age from 25 to 35 years old, i don't think GRRM specified really. Btw reading a bit of it seems that Hoster atleast tried to make some moves to that, asking Arianne Martell to meet him in Riverrun but Doran declined. So i think yeah, the Floppy Fish liking to whore around was a bit of a factor, but he didn't had so much a say that Hoster was leaving it alone as he did with the Black Fish. Mya is beatiful and yeah strong childs are good, but marrying to a King Bastard can be a really shoot in the foot because the marriage wouldn't really mean any aliance making and the "True" children of the King, when they get the throne could be not so happy with a highlord marrying someone who line could try a claim for the Seven Kingdoms. Don't mentioning that the Lannisters also probrably wouldn't be happy with that. In a aside, if it was up to Edmure i can see he going for Desmera Redwyne before the War of the Five Kings, a navy if war comes+free Arbor Wine? The dude is already sold The odd bit of whoring (also he liked it but was no Robert) was never going to bar a marriage - Hoster was probably trying to make a good pick Arianne was on the table but there was a real lack of high ranking female heirs, especially when you consider Hoster probably wanted to match the level of marriage he had got his daughters with Stark and Arryn marriages. Hoster was probably considering Margaery, Asha, and Arianne who were all roughly the right age and would be prestigious, I’d argue a Redwyne marriage while still useful would be beneath the standards set by Lysa and Cat’s marriages, and all three candidates Hoster was probably trying to get all had outside reasons to avoid an engagement, also it’s worth considering that if Edmure is say in his late 20s he’s still eminently marriageable and there is nothing untoward about it, Ned and Robert both married very young - it’s no different from Garlan Tyrell being unmarried (and before anyone goes “but Garlan is a cripple” that won’t stop any marriage - he’s the heir to highgarden) |
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Post by lordumber93 on Aug 4, 2019 15:01:09 GMT
Well, about his age the AWOIAF Wiki say: Born In or between 267 AC and 274 AC, so may be from any age from 25 to 35 years old, i don't think GRRM specified really. Btw reading a bit of it seems that Hoster atleast tried to make some moves to that, asking Arianne Martell to meet him in Riverrun but Doran declined. So i think yeah, the Floppy Fish liking to whore around was a bit of a factor, but he didn't had so much a say that Hoster was leaving it alone as he did with the Black Fish. Mya is beatiful and yeah strong childs are good, but marrying to a King Bastard can be a really shoot in the foot because the marriage wouldn't really mean any aliance making and the "True" children of the King, when they get the throne could be not so happy with a highlord marrying someone who line could try a claim for the Seven Kingdoms. Don't mentioning that the Lannisters also probrably wouldn't be happy with that. In a aside, if it was up to Edmure i can see he going for Desmera Redwyne before the War of the Five Kings, a navy if war comes+free Arbor Wine? The dude is already sold The odd bit of whoring (also he liked it but was no Robert) was never going to bar a marriage - Hoster was probably trying to make a good pick Arianne was on the table but there was a real lack of high ranking female heirs, especially when you consider Hoster probably wanted to match the level of marriage he had got his daughters with Stark and Arryn marriages. Hoster was probably considering Margaery, Asha, and Arianne who were all roughly the right age and would be prestigious, I’d argue a Redwyne marriage while still useful would be beneath the standards set by Lysa and Cat’s marriages, and all three candidates Hoster was probably trying to get all had outside reasons to avoid an engagement, also it’s worth considering that if Edmure is say in his late 20s he’s still eminently marriageable and there is nothing untoward about it, Ned and Robert both married very young - it’s no different from Garlan Tyrell being unmarried (and before anyone goes “but Garlan is a cripple” that won’t stop any marriage - he’s the heir to highgarden) Willas. Garlan the Gallant is married to the Fossoway woman and given the Florant lands. If I'm remembering correctly, and Willas is the cripple heir to Highgarden. Which is correct, it wouldn't prevent a marriage, but it would make one more difficult, social stigma. Especially when your second son is a warrior like Garlan. |
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Post by lordumber93 on Aug 4, 2019 15:16:06 GMT
Isn't he only in his late 20's? Roughly ten years Robb's elder? Might be wrong there. Regardless, he likes to whore around. That's the only reason. "Duty, honor, family" Tully words, without a marriage, he's no Duty to Honor his Family. If I was Hoster, I would've went for Mya Stone. Bastard daughter of the King? Yep, maybe not as prestigious as a true born, but, she's strong and beautiful...and the king's bastard. Well, about his age the AWOIAF Wiki say: Born In or between 267 AC and 274 AC, so may be from any age from 25 to 35 years old, i don't think GRRM specified really. Btw reading a bit of it seems that Hoster atleast tried to make some moves to that, asking Arianne Martell to meet him in Riverrun but Doran declined. So i think yeah, the Floppy Fish liking to whore around was a bit of a factor, but he didn't had so much a say that Hoster was leaving it alone as he did with the Black Fish. Mya is beatiful and yeah strong childs are good, but marrying to a King Bastard can be a really shoot in the foot because the marriage wouldn't really mean any aliance making and the "True" children of the King, when they get the throne could be not so happy with a highlord marrying someone who line could try a claim for the Seven Kingdoms. Don't mentioning that the Lannisters also probrably wouldn't be happy with that. In a aside, if it was up to Edmure i can see he going for Desmera Redwyne before the War of the Five Kings, a navy if war comes+free Arbor Wine? The dude is already sold Yeah, Hoster did try to get Doran to introduce the two,which would've been a decent match. Doran is hard to read figure out though. Still, I think Edmure did refuse any marriages because he liked to whore. And when Hoster got sick, well, he was the De facto ruler, so, he never bothered making any proposals. Yes, but in Edmures exact case, he'd have Ned, Jon Arryn, and a living Robert(Going back a few years to make that possible) potentially supporting the marriage. It'd definitely paint a target on his back, can't deny that. But some strong kids make it worth it. Besides, Edmure isn't a small or weak man by any means in the books. So those kids would be pretty tough |
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Post by Elotyr on Aug 13, 2019 12:12:27 GMT
The odd bit of whoring (also he liked it but was no Robert) was never going to bar a marriage - Hoster was probably trying to make a good pick Arianne was on the table but there was a real lack of high ranking female heirs, especially when you consider Hoster probably wanted to match the level of marriage he had got his daughters with Stark and Arryn marriages. Hoster was probably considering Margaery, Asha, and Arianne who were all roughly the right age and would be prestigious, I’d argue a Redwyne marriage while still useful would be beneath the standards set by Lysa and Cat’s marriages, and all three candidates Hoster was probably trying to get all had outside reasons to avoid an engagement, also it’s worth considering that if Edmure is say in his late 20s he’s still eminently marriageable and there is nothing untoward about it, Ned and Robert both married very young - it’s no different from Garlan Tyrell being unmarried (and before anyone goes “but Garlan is a cripple” that won’t stop any marriage - he’s the heir to highgarden) Yes those are good points, but ask myself if going with that line Hoster would try to marry him to Lynesse if Jorah didn't married her, not a daughter of a high lord, but having the the lord of Old Town cof... and the Citadel ...cof, as a father-in-law would greatly help Edmure and the Tully/Stark/Arryn Alliance i'm certain. |
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