Post by thatawkwardvaclav on May 27, 2019 15:25:38 GMT
It is said in the canon that there were no official female rulers in Winterfell ever. But we can assume that in eight thousand years there were Stark rulers with no sons, but daughters. So, agnatic succession would suit Winterfell much more.
Same thing is with Casterly Rock, Tywin Lannister is pretty clear that Cersei would never be his heir (and, actually, it hurts me everytime I see Cersei becoming the Westerlands ruler, because I know how it would be seen by Tywin). Maybe, agnatic succesion would suit Westerlands as well.
Actually, Tywin was an awful intolerant and sexist dude and there may be a lot of characters in the game with those traits. For example, he clearly disinherited Tyrion (though, he was officialy disinherited later because of regicide and murder of the owner of stuff he could inherit). It may be a good idea to add a decision for rulers with certain traits (for example, cruel, but NOT if the character is honorable or family person) and/or certain level of Fear to disinherit dwarves, hunchbacks, harelips, ugly and stutter men, cravens and homosexuals. It would be kinda OP, but if we narrow the possibility to use this decision, it would be very suitable for some characters.
By the way, two Walderfreys who lived in Winterfell did not seem to count females while describing the Twins succesion (for example, there are THE Walder Frey's great-granddaughter in the oldest line of his descendants and some male Vances - sons of Stevron Frey's daughter, but Walder kids don't list them). So, the Twins might be on agnatic succesion too.
Though I do not know, if it is possible in-game (I guess, if the Starks become agnatic, their Karstark vassals would get such an event too, though Karstarks are clearly on Agnatic-Cognatic succession), it seems like some major non-Dornish houses use agnatic-cognatic succesion, some - pragmatic succesion (the one that was used in 1713-1918 Austria, 1801-1917 Russia and late XIX-century Luxembourg - a daughter can inherit only if there are no only-male line descendants of the previous monarch, who is considered the founder of dynasty by law - for example, Charles VI of Austria's father or Pavel I of Russia's father), and some (Targaryens) - agnatic primogeniture.
We are not sure, if Shireen and Myrcella being in line of succession is due to Baratheons being pragmatic or agnatic-cognatic, because in case of Shireen kids of Robert are considered as bastards (and we don't know, who Stannis WOULD considered his heir presumptive - Renly or Shireen) and in case of Myrcella Stannis and his descendants are disinherited. And we don't know who is considered to be Edmure's heir - Brynden (if succession was pragmatic) or children of Catelyn and Lysa (if succession was agnatic-cognatic), because many people speculate that Brynden might've been disinherited.
So, that's my case on changing some titles' succession system to agnatic (as the closest one to pragmatic).
P.S. This post is not sexist or in any way intolerant. I am a feminist, but it is hardly possible for a woman to inherit Winterfell (fake Arya has inherited only because her grandfather was the last only-male descendant of Starks, her uncles were dead/disinherited, her father was dead, her brother were dead/assumed to be dead and her elder sister was accused of regicide).
Same thing is with Casterly Rock, Tywin Lannister is pretty clear that Cersei would never be his heir (and, actually, it hurts me everytime I see Cersei becoming the Westerlands ruler, because I know how it would be seen by Tywin). Maybe, agnatic succesion would suit Westerlands as well.
Actually, Tywin was an awful intolerant and sexist dude and there may be a lot of characters in the game with those traits. For example, he clearly disinherited Tyrion (though, he was officialy disinherited later because of regicide and murder of the owner of stuff he could inherit). It may be a good idea to add a decision for rulers with certain traits (for example, cruel, but NOT if the character is honorable or family person) and/or certain level of Fear to disinherit dwarves, hunchbacks, harelips, ugly and stutter men, cravens and homosexuals. It would be kinda OP, but if we narrow the possibility to use this decision, it would be very suitable for some characters.
By the way, two Walderfreys who lived in Winterfell did not seem to count females while describing the Twins succesion (for example, there are THE Walder Frey's great-granddaughter in the oldest line of his descendants and some male Vances - sons of Stevron Frey's daughter, but Walder kids don't list them). So, the Twins might be on agnatic succesion too.
Though I do not know, if it is possible in-game (I guess, if the Starks become agnatic, their Karstark vassals would get such an event too, though Karstarks are clearly on Agnatic-Cognatic succession), it seems like some major non-Dornish houses use agnatic-cognatic succesion, some - pragmatic succesion (the one that was used in 1713-1918 Austria, 1801-1917 Russia and late XIX-century Luxembourg - a daughter can inherit only if there are no only-male line descendants of the previous monarch, who is considered the founder of dynasty by law - for example, Charles VI of Austria's father or Pavel I of Russia's father), and some (Targaryens) - agnatic primogeniture.
We are not sure, if Shireen and Myrcella being in line of succession is due to Baratheons being pragmatic or agnatic-cognatic, because in case of Shireen kids of Robert are considered as bastards (and we don't know, who Stannis WOULD considered his heir presumptive - Renly or Shireen) and in case of Myrcella Stannis and his descendants are disinherited. And we don't know who is considered to be Edmure's heir - Brynden (if succession was pragmatic) or children of Catelyn and Lysa (if succession was agnatic-cognatic), because many people speculate that Brynden might've been disinherited.
So, that's my case on changing some titles' succession system to agnatic (as the closest one to pragmatic).
P.S. This post is not sexist or in any way intolerant. I am a feminist, but it is hardly possible for a woman to inherit Winterfell (fake Arya has inherited only because her grandfather was the last only-male descendant of Starks, her uncles were dead/disinherited, her father was dead, her brother were dead/assumed to be dead and her elder sister was accused of regicide).
