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Post by nymoflife on May 14, 2019 0:09:15 GMT
Hi Guys,
Love the work you do.
I'm pretty keen on giving the Targs options in terms of other high valyrian/ western valyrian/ eastern valyrian families to marry into. Unfortunately when i land western and eastern valyrians, or with the Celtigars and Velaryons they have a habit of marrying others and diluting their blood.
I'm wondering if there is a rule that would encourage the AI to prioritise those culture groups to marry one another first?
Just a thought - Again love your work.
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Post by loopykid on May 14, 2019 3:56:49 GMT
Agreed.
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Post by stale on May 14, 2019 11:06:18 GMT
The thing is, if you use custom marriage rules, I believe there already is one in the game. I wish it were more stringent though - like to the point of them rather marrying lowbown courtiers rather than a marriage of alliance in most cases. If I'm a Targaryen, I try to be proactive and at least intermarry the Celtigar and Velaryon heirs to each other/my children/courtiers.
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Post by hnrqb1 on May 15, 2019 19:19:19 GMT
I have suffered through this on my Velaryon games as well and I always thought a good workaround would be giving lots of prestige to marrying into the same culture group, to simulate this world's regionalism. Not enough to surpass the greatest houses, but enough that a Celtigar will prefer a Velaryon and so on.
But if you could link the prestige from marriage to ethnic group that would be ideal, so they would marry the Daynes as well.
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Post by nymoflife on May 17, 2019 10:04:27 GMT
Very true - honestly the seven kingdoms behaved like seven independent kingdoms. The houses married within their respective realms and anything that incentivised that would be great.
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Post by rufff1 on May 17, 2019 18:42:24 GMT
Very true - honestly the seven kingdoms behaved like seven independent kingdoms. The houses married within their respective realms and anything that incentivised that would be great. I kinda disagree - to be sure marrying nearby houses was common and it was more usual to marry within your realm (especially Dorne, the North and the Iron Isles which are often de facto quasi independent) but there are dozens of examples of even mid rank houses marrying outside the realm: Jorah Mormont married a High tower Various Freys married Royces, Waynwoods, Crakehalls, Rosbys etc Elinor Costayne (one of Maegors black brides and from the Reach) was married to a Bolling from the stormlands Humfrey Beesbury (reachman from Hedge Knight) is brother in law to Humfrey Hardyng from the Vale There's probably a bunch more out there I've missed - sure marrying into a family nearby makes a lot of sense but there are good reasons to also marry outside your realm and it often occurs |
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Post by nymoflife on May 21, 2019 12:32:49 GMT
I think what I would like to see if a rule that encourages marriages within cultures but doesn’t forbid marriage outside of culture.
It just incentivises marriage within cultural groups first.
I see it like this AI is westerman has heir tries to find westerman spouse - can’t do so and thus looks elsewhere.
But they should try in their own “kingdom” first to promote stability.
Honestly I’d settle for a Valyrian’s marrying each other first.
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Post by haroldlauder on May 21, 2019 18:33:52 GMT
At one point there was "something" in the mod that made High Valyrian Targs prioritize marrying immediate family members SO MUCH that it had to be tuned way down. A 60 year old Targ with a newborn grandchild would betrothe it instantly and never consider any other marriages/ offers. It got so ridiculous...
Long story short, there is a way to do it! No clue how though.
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Post by soulbourne on May 23, 2019 0:46:40 GMT
There was a submod awhile back that gave a bunch of laws to restrict ethnic marriages for HVs, something something cultural charter? But it's long defunct.
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Post by ManicMayo on Jun 7, 2019 23:02:30 GMT
I'd be on board with this. Perhaps have it only apply until the end of the Dance of the Dragons. After all, that was when the Targaryens really began to abandon their policy of 'blood purity' and started to marry into the Andal houses much more frequently.
Otherwise, I'd really like to see the devs implement something similar to what was in the 'Strong Seed' mod. IIRC, when a child was born in that mod to a High/Essosi Valyrian and non-Valyrian parent, it would either be assigned the graphical culture of its fully Valyrian parent or be of Westerosi Valyrian graphical culture. A Valyrian dynasty couldn't just 'jump' from silver hair and purple eyes to brown hair and green eyes in the space of a single generation. I think a system like that would better simulate the bloodline gradually 'diluting' over time as it continually marries non-Valyrians, instead of the current system whereby a full-blooded Valyrian can often give birth to a fully Andal-looking child.
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Post by ptlans on Jun 12, 2019 23:17:56 GMT
I know nothing about the technical marriage system or any of the game's inner workings. That said would it be possible to give Valyrians a hidden trait that increases the perceived value of Valyrian characters thereby making them more likely to be chosen for engagements/marriage?
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Post by Karl on Jun 15, 2019 11:10:34 GMT
I know nothing about the technical marriage system or any of the game's inner workings. That said would it be possible to give Valyrians a hidden trait that increases the perceived value of Valyrian characters thereby making them more likely to be chosen for engagements/marriage? The mod's enhanced marriage AI already has a preference for Valyrians.  |
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