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Post by darktoto9510 on May 10, 2019 16:42:15 GMT
I had a character with the honorable trait who made several assassinations attempt and got -30 deshonorable for 30 years...
Once a character is honorable, i don't think the "kill X" plot should be enabled or at the very least, he loses the "honorable" trait if he goes through with an attempt (any idea from coconspirators)
Even if he's not discovered, killing an old lady with a chariot accident is not very honorable...
At the very very least make the trait disappear if we're charged with deshonor cause that really makes 0 sense
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Post by antonii on May 11, 2019 8:25:53 GMT
I don't know. Even an honourable person can have a reason to try and murder, say, a tyrant who threatens to destroy a city with wildfire. Jaime Lannister would be a classical example of being both honourable and generally regarded as dishonourable.
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Post by darktoto9510 on May 12, 2019 13:38:59 GMT
Of course i agree, reasons are a thing. Everyone has reasons to hate or even kill someone.
But making a plot to murder someone with snakes during their sleep, i hardly call that honorable wouldn't you say ?...
Jamie is not honorable though. His whole character arc is about redemption (oathbreaker, child murderer, etc) and how to find its lost honor... (if you want to be gamey, his character screen doesn't have "honorable" trait either)
Honorable trait should be exclusive to people who demonstrate honor and act honorably. A known cut-throat shouldn't have the trait.
(I almost see it as an equivalent of "bad at politics". Even if you have reasons, you do like Ned or Robb and fuck it up by making the honorable decision. It's mutualy exclusive to be a political animal and yet still stay honorable. Not in the Game of Thrones context)
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Post by antonii on May 13, 2019 0:48:40 GMT
Of course i agree, reasons are a thing. Everyone has reasons to hate or even kill someone. But making a plot to murder someone with snakes during their sleep, i hardly call that honorable wouldn't you say ?... Jamie is not honorable though. His whole character arc is about redemption (oathbreaker, child murderer, etc) and how to find its lost honor... (if you want to be gamey, his character screen doesn't have "honorable" trait either) Honorable trait should be exclusive to people who demonstrate honor and act honorably. A known cut-throat shouldn't have the trait. (I almost see it as an equivalent of "bad at politics". Even if you have reasons, you do like Ned or Robb and fuck it up by making the honorable decision. It's mutualy exclusive to be a political animal and yet still stay honorable. Not in the Game of Thrones context)
If honorable is how people see you, then indeed, you should lose the trait whenever you get dishonorable. A falsely accused person would then also lose it.
If it's supposed to represent how a character tends to behave (as much as brave, or lustful, or chaste does), then it's more of a tendency towards "doing what is right" rather than "doing what's expedient".
Then it doesn't matter what people think about stabbing Aerys in the back, as Jaime know it was his duty to save the city. His honor as a knight compelled him to protect the weak. His honor as a son compelled him to defend his father. Maester Cressen feels compelled to poison Melisandre as a matter of conscience. Davos is willig to sacrifice himself to kill her for the same reason. They feel it is the right thing to do and they certainly don't have the option to challenge her to a duel. The difference between some random looters and Beric's Brotherhood without Banners is that the latter are in part motivated by honor and justice, even though they use deception.
So if we were to limit the assassinations of honorable guys, then maybe say you can only assassinate people who either are tyrants or lunatics or have otherwise acted dishonorably towards the would-be assassin.
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Post by knuckey on May 19, 2019 16:05:55 GMT
I just checked and honourable AI characters will never use the kill character plot. Are you sure they weren't co-conspirators to a plot (impossible to mod in a block for that) or it happened by some other event?
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Post by darktoto9510 on Jun 5, 2019 20:10:14 GMT
No, it was a character i was playing. I think it was Robb but i kind of forgot.
Point is, the IA is fine but what about the players ? Shouldn't there be something either to prevent us or to punish us to act so out of character ?
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Post by yoted17 on Jun 7, 2019 8:17:11 GMT
Just... dont, do it?
Think of it like this, it's roleplay right? All of these lords, Ned, Robb, totally COULD have plotted and/or hired people to kill their enemies but it's the fact that they didn't and had such a reputation it. Like, if you play as Robb and you plot to assassinate Tywin, totally out of character, but he absolutely had the tools at his disposal to plot to do so. It's easy to find people who want to kill for you when you're a lord.
So just say to yourself as you're playing, "man, this would be totally out of character... I won't do it" and then see how it goes.
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