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Post by aconda on May 6, 2019 2:00:29 GMT
Consider using the red weirwood juice for certain events, there is room for ideas about the concept.
•Like having magical properties
•Drenching certain artifacts in it for worship purposes.... maybe things like leafs, rocks, rubies, dragonglass or... wood.
•Or for rituals... maybe for coming of age... or greenseer enlisting.
There's also mention about different colours of dragonglass. black, red... (need these to check but, green and purple)
And maesters mention dragonglass having certain healing properties with theory's speculating dragonglass being an ingredient to cure greyscale.
Perhaps the different colours of dragonglass are uniquely qualified for certain special tasks.
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Post by Karl on May 8, 2019 3:49:22 GMT
I would advise that unless George Martin himself says "no, Weirwood Trees cannot grow in Essos", that we should assume Weirwood Trees CAN in fact grow in Essos. I would advise that unless George Martin himself says "yes, Weirwood Trees can grow in Essos", that we should assume Weirwood Trees CANNOT in fact grow in Essos.  On a more serious note, whether they can or not is a different question from whether they ever did. I have no idea if they can or not, but I believe that the evidence that they ever did is incredibly weak at best. |
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Post by turtleshroom on May 10, 2019 19:07:48 GMT
I would advise that unless George Martin himself says "no, Weirwood Trees cannot grow in Essos", that we should assume Weirwood Trees CAN in fact grow in Essos. I would advise that unless George Martin himself says "yes, Weirwood Trees can grow in Essos", that we should assume Weirwood Trees CANNOT in fact grow in Essos. On a more serious note, whether they can or not is a different question from whether they ever did. I have no idea if they can or not, but I believe that the evidence that they ever did is incredibly weak at best. Why? Weirwood trees are, first and foremost, trees. Trees grow everywhere and Weirwood Trees are special because they work as surveillance cameras and have a psychic link across their roots, but they are still trees. These trees can grow anywhere in Westoros, Dorne included (although someone mentioned that they can't in high mountain biomes), and Dorne has a hot, desert-like climate in parts of it (IIRC). All the biomes in Westoros (except the freezing parts of the North and Beyond the Wall) have Essoi equivalents. Ergo, Weirwood Trees should grow there. Besides, your argument makes no sense because George Martin has been nebulous on Weirwood Trees. In terms of the plant, Weirwood Trees are simply trees and grow like trees. Unless George Martin says otherwise, this means Essoi Biomes that have Westorosi counterparts should easily have them if they aren't too far from the network. |
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Post by japster on May 20, 2019 20:18:02 GMT
Back in the age of heroes, Westeros was still connected to Essos by the Arm of Dorne, thus it is plausible that there were Weirwoods in Essos connected to the Westrosi Weirwoods network by that landbridge, which have since been disconnected and thus are slowly dying off.
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Post by lordumber93 on Jun 11, 2019 23:50:03 GMT
Lol uprooting a stump of a large tree is not easy. Trees don't grow back from stumps they die. It is magic, it could be magic from the tree or a magical root network. You can't assume there are owls in essos  1. A few hours with a pick axe and a spade and you can get rid of most tree roots, I know because I've done it several times on small to medium trees, 2. Sometimes you cut down a tree and a few weeks later it grows basically a bush out the top and if you don't cut it off the tree starts trying to grow back 3. I know I can't prove there are owls in essos, but you also can't prove there aren't my point there is arguing from a place of next to no evidence is a waste of all of our time 4. My main point is that the gameplay feature suggested is cool and there's no real reason to say a weirwoods can't grow in essos, we know they can be planted as happens in castle godswoods and therefore someone could plant one in essos, the idea of the roots needing to connect with one another seems like tinfoil and I'm all for tinfoil, I have many myself but it's not the right place to debate tinfoil A few minutes with a tractor and chain works better. Black locust is the only tree that grows back from a stump. If a bush is appearing on any other tree, a seed existed and it's using the stump as a grounding object. This would be a nice feature, as it's stated in one of the books that besides Dorne, weirwoods grew everywhere in Westeros. It's not the mountains blocking them, it's the soil. Like any plant, if the soil isn't rich and thick, it's chances of growing are nigh impossible. |
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Post by rufff1 on Jun 13, 2019 16:50:22 GMT
1. A few hours with a pick axe and a spade and you can get rid of most tree roots, I know because I've done it several times on small to medium trees, 2. Sometimes you cut down a tree and a few weeks later it grows basically a bush out the top and if you don't cut it off the tree starts trying to grow back 3. I know I can't prove there are owls in essos, but you also can't prove there aren't my point there is arguing from a place of next to no evidence is a waste of all of our time 4. My main point is that the gameplay feature suggested is cool and there's no real reason to say a weirwoods can't grow in essos, we know they can be planted as happens in castle godswoods and therefore someone could plant one in essos, the idea of the roots needing to connect with one another seems like tinfoil and I'm all for tinfoil, I have many myself but it's not the right place to debate tinfoil A few minutes with a tractor and chain works better. Black locust is the only tree that grows back from a stump. If a bush is appearing on any other tree, a seed existed and it's using the stump as a grounding object. This would be a nice feature, as it's stated in one of the books that besides Dorne, weirwoods grew everywhere in Westeros. It's not the mountains blocking them, it's the soil. Like any plant, if the soil isn't rich and thick, it's chances of growing are nigh impossible. We had a silver birch that we left a little too much stump behind and had about 10 small branches growing out of it (not the cut surface but the side about an inch beneath the cut) six months later |
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Post by lordumber93 on Jun 14, 2019 4:44:34 GMT
A few minutes with a tractor and chain works better. Black locust is the only tree that grows back from a stump. If a bush is appearing on any other tree, a seed existed and it's using the stump as a grounding object. This would be a nice feature, as it's stated in one of the books that besides Dorne, weirwoods grew everywhere in Westeros. It's not the mountains blocking them, it's the soil. Like any plant, if the soil isn't rich and thick, it's chances of growing are nigh impossible. We had a silver birch that we left a little too much stump behind and had about 10 small branches growing out of it (not the cut surface but the side about an inch beneath the cut) six months later I had to look up silver birch, as my knowledge only extends to white Birch. That's odd though, I didn't see anything on it growing back like that. I have seen and read that black locust will grow from the actual cut part of the stump. And using wood for heat in winter, nothing beats locust for that reason. |
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Post by Karl on Jun 15, 2019 11:18:10 GMT
Many, maybe most, tree stumps can grow. This is why forest fires don't create "dead zones." The stumps just sprout, though, and I don't think they grow to full normal trees?
Black locust is infamous for being a particularly militant grower which requires some aggressive "herbiciding" to put an end too.
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Post by lordumber93 on Jun 15, 2019 13:12:34 GMT
Many, maybe most, tree stumps can grow. This is why forest fires don't create "dead zones." The stumps just sprout, though, and I don't think they grow to full normal trees? Black locust is infamous for being a particularly militant grower which requires some aggressive "herbiciding" to put an end too. To my knowledge, it's the seeds/spores being blown in or already underground finally being able to get light that grow them back. Like I said earlier, they essentially use stumps as anchors. I specialize in masonry though, not arboristry, so take it with a grain of salt. Black locust is a good tree. I personally think it was the impression for the weirwoods undying nature. As they refuse to die too. Cut em, burn em. As long as there's a stump, they come back. |
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Post by ptlans on Jul 1, 2019 4:57:47 GMT
"...Kingdom of the Ifequevron, wrote of carved trees, haunted grottoes, and strange silences." - The World of Ice and Fire.
The book seems to go on to imply but not outright state that something at the very least similar to the COTF lived there north of the great grass sea. There is more expanded lore that is in favor of the existence of two types of weirwood (black/white) in the world as well as multiple populations of COTF. Considering the ever-present theme of duality in the novels I wouldn't be surprised if the Blue/Black trees used by the house of the undying are weirwood trees of a different variety. The same type of black wood that pops up over and over again whenever a character is in an area connected to magic or magic users, like the temple of the many faced god, Asshai or the house of the undying. I kind of wonder if Asshai is somehow magically polluting the world and has simply turned Essos' weirwood trees black. Whenever the black wood or black stone is mentioned it seems to always be described in an almost sinister fashion. Also most but not all of the weirwood trees south of the neck were cut down by the Andals. It stands to reason that other religious groups could have done the same in Essos given that a number of religions seem to have some basis in magic and many magic users are able to divine things to some extent. The discovery that weirwood trees act as eyes and ears for someone else could drive mages masquerading as priests to whip their congregations into a frenzy of woodcutting.
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