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Post by MadaraTargaryen on Mar 27, 2019 17:01:55 GMT
Just as Westeros has tourneys and the north has melees Slavers bay should have Figting Pits.The fighting pits are huge circular arenas in the slaving cities of Astapor, Yunkai, Meereen. They provide the cities citizens and visitors with entertainment.
The ones in Meereen are the largest and most extravagant, with the main pit being Daznak's Pit. Within the pits, beasts are pitted against beasts, gladiators against gladiators, beasts against gladiators, and even beasts against slave children, dwarfs, or crones, all for the entertainment of the onlookers(if we could inculde animal vs human duels that would make it twice as awesome).
The combatants wear no armour in the fighting pits as it is blood the crowds have come to see(so if a character who has valyrian steel armour artifact but is a poor warrior went off against a character who has no armour artifact but is a formidable warrior the formidable warrior would almost always win).
Unlike tourneys the battles would be most likely to the death something like roman gladiator games.(continuing on the roman theme maybe an event decision where if you are hosting the games you get to decide if the defeated opponent who has surrendered dies or lives just like roman emperors did.If you spare a defeated gladiator you take a temporary hit to general opinion but get a friend in the sparred gladiator and if you dont spare him you get bonus to fear and general opinion unless its someone well liked by everyone with high diplomacy and of course his family and friends will hate you).
There could also be a lot of intrigue event with mystery gladiators,rulers fighting in the pits,poisoned weapons,crowds rioting when there are no games,bribing,betting,animals being sedated or being aroused etc.
The fighting pits should be represented as buildings with a chance to improve them for lots of cash.There should also be an option to cancel fighting pits(like Daenerys did) or reopen them(as Dany did later only with free men).Maybe even a decision to turn the fighting pits(which you are not using) into dragonpits if you are a liberator and dragon rider.Also if you are playing as a slaver outside slavers bay and you have enough money and slave camps you could construct your own Fighting Pits and name them whatever you like.
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Post by TheNotoriousRLJ on Mar 27, 2019 18:50:21 GMT
Love this idea. Should also be possible for anyone with legalized slavery to form a pit (at great expense).
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Post by soulbourne on Mar 27, 2019 18:59:00 GMT
I'd just like to mention that deaths in the roman arena were quite rare for gladiators, mostly either being accidental or being when the man was caught cheater or just pissed off the crowd to where it was execution or a riot. Gladiators in rome were sports super stars with a lot of time and money invested in-cuistom equipment, personal trainers, dieticians, hype men, etc all went into expenses before they even could be considered for the arena. And generally if you lost, even back then everyone wanted to see the underdog or their cult favorite do a rocky montage and get payback-and people paid extra for a grudge match so the owners of the gladiatorial teams got far more profit from rematches(And generally it took multiple fights before a gladiator actually paid themselves off). This of course was only actual gladiators, not things such as starving slaves or people sentenced to death who were sent in specifically to die with no chance of victory. Those guys are the same reason I want the exhibition match of the unicorns verses a pack of rabbid teenage girls to be mike tyson verses justin beiber-he's not going in to win, he's going in to be punched to death by mike tyson for the crowds amusement  However, those caveats aside(I'm sure some people are annoyed by this point with my caveats) I will fully support consistent to the death in slavers bay simply because it's a fictional story written for maximum entertainment and thus does not take into account that actual trained fighters are expensive to just let die. I somehow doubt GRRM researched the intricacies of gladitorial agents and arena fights rather than say watching spartacus or gladiator and basing the fights on those, so we too should base our design on those. |
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Post by rufff1 on Mar 27, 2019 19:05:01 GMT
I love this idea, but I think it's worth noting it's not usually lords or courtiers fighting in the pits but slavers, so it should be limited to slaves fighting one another, with the slave owner getting the prestige and wealth of a victory, this would make it a different feel from a northern mêlée as you aren't fighting yourself but your prize slave is, and if they win excellent, but you could have them get wounded or killed, ruining your investment, also perhaps it could trigger purchase offers, i.e. If your slave wins the games your liege could try and buy him from you at a good price or if you host a games you could bid on the victor etc
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Post by MadaraTargaryen on Mar 28, 2019 18:46:15 GMT
I'd just like to mention that deaths in the roman arena were quite rare for gladiators, mostly either being accidental or being when the man was caught cheater or just pissed off the crowd to where it was execution or a riot. Gladiators in rome were sports super stars with a lot of time and money invested in-cuistom equipment, personal trainers, dieticians, hype men, etc all went into expenses before they even could be considered for the arena. And generally if you lost, even back then everyone wanted to see the underdog or their cult favorite do a rocky montage and get payback-and people paid extra for a grudge match so the owners of the gladiatorial teams got far more profit from rematches(And generally it took multiple fights before a gladiator actually paid themselves off). This of course was only actual gladiators, not things such as starving slaves or people sentenced to death who were sent in specifically to die with no chance of victory. Those guys are the same reason I want the exhibition match of the unicorns verses a pack of rabbid teenage girls to be mike tyson verses justin beiber-he's not going in to win, he's going in to be punched to death by mike tyson for the crowds amusement However, those caveats aside(I'm sure some people are annoyed by this point with my caveats) I will fully support consistent to the death in slavers bay simply because it's a fictional story written for maximum entertainment and thus does not take into account that actual trained fighters are expensive to just let die. I somehow doubt GRRM researched the intricacies of gladitorial agents and arena fights rather than say watching spartacus or gladiator and basing the fights on those, so we too should base our design on those. I am fully aware that the actual history of ancient rome,the gladiators and the colosseum is quite different then it is portrayed in movies and TV shows(In fact this could be said for almost all historical periods which have been adjusted for movies and tv).When I mentioned roman emperors and gladiators I should have specified that I was referring to how they are portrayed in popular media culture(like gladiator or spartacus) and not actual history.The reason I did this is because,as you have already stated,George also most likely based his design on the popular perception of gladiator games and not actual history so we should incorporate it into the mod as such.Having said that I think if someone has some event ideas and the devs feel like implementing them I would love to see a more nuanced take on the Fighting pits inspired a bit more by actual history. |
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Post by MadaraTargaryen on Mar 28, 2019 19:09:00 GMT
I love this idea, but I think it's worth noting it's not usually lords or courtiers fighting in the pits but slavers, so it should be limited to slaves fighting one another, with the slave owner getting the prestige and wealth of a victory, this would make it a different feel from a northern mêlée as you aren't fighting yourself but your prize slave is, and if they win excellent, but you could have them get wounded or killed, ruining your investment, also perhaps it could trigger purchase offers, i.e. If your slave wins the games your liege could try and buy him from you at a good price or if you host a games you could bid on the victor etc I agree with everything you said and this is how I also imagined it.But I wrote that rulers also should fight and what I had in mind was lets say you are the independent westerosi.faith of the seven ruler of the Stepstones and you just legalized slavery and build yourself fighting pits and you are a very good warrior.In my opinion you should be able to also participate in the fighting and maybe even some of your courtiers.Why?Because to you slavery is not something that has been around forever and most likely all of your starting slaves were taken in battle and not bought or born into slavery which means you wouldnt consider them any less than yourself.You would view them as prisoners forced to fight to the death and you would view the whole concept of fighting pits as just a more bloodier version of the combat sport which is already happening in westeros. Of course this should only apply to newly implemented slavery.For the type of slavery in slavers bay which has been alive since the founding of the cities I agree that most fights should be between slaves.But still if your ruler is a good warrior and is mad enough he should be allowed to participate if he wants to(maybe limit this to only the player and not the ai). Also maybe there should be a trait for fighting in the pits.Based on how many victories you had it should be scaled from 1-5.A trait for someone who has been champion for a long time would also be cool. |
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Post by rufff1 on Mar 28, 2019 19:52:25 GMT
I love this idea, but I think it's worth noting it's not usually lords or courtiers fighting in the pits but slavers, so it should be limited to slaves fighting one another, with the slave owner getting the prestige and wealth of a victory, this would make it a different feel from a northern mêlée as you aren't fighting yourself but your prize slave is, and if they win excellent, but you could have them get wounded or killed, ruining your investment, also perhaps it could trigger purchase offers, i.e. If your slave wins the games your liege could try and buy him from you at a good price or if you host a games you could bid on the victor etc I agree with everything you said and this is how I also imagined it.But I wrote that rulers also should fight and what I had in mind was lets say you are the independent westerosi.faith of the seven ruler of the Stepstones and you just legalized slavery and build yourself fighting pits and you are a very good warrior.In my opinion you should be able to also participate in the fighting and maybe even some of your courtiers.Why?Because to you slavery is not something that has been around forever and most likely all of your starting slaves were taken in battle and not bought or born into slavery which means you wouldnt consider them any less than yourself.You would view them as prisoners forced to fight to the death and you would view the whole concept of fighting pits as just a more bloodier version of the combat sport which is already happening in westeros. Of course this should only apply to newly implemented slavery.For the type of slavery in slavers bay which has been alive since the founding of the cities I agree that most fights should be between slaves.But still if your ruler is a good warrior and is mad enough he should be allowed to participate if he wants to(maybe limit this to only the player and not the ai). Also maybe there should be a trait for fighting in the pits.Based on how many victories you had it should be scaled from 1-5.A trait for someone who has been champion for a long time would also be cool. Fair enough - although maybe a decision to participate in the games against slaves which is only available to brave/skilled fighter characters - that way its only the foolhardy and skilled freemen taking part with it mostly being the slaves fighting - this would also stop half your vassals losing an eye/dying every time you host a game. Also if this were implemented you could have the option of pulling a Commodus and wounding your opponent before the fight (running the risk of a huge prestige hit if you're caught ofc) |
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