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Post by loopykid on Mar 8, 2019 5:27:57 GMT
Basically, when daddy dies your Heir gets double-whammed with two modifiers; "Title Claimant: -20" and "Pretender and Claimant to the Lordship of X: -25" and I just think that's a bit ridiculous. I mean, one or the other is fine but both is -45 opinion but being a sibling only counts as +10? I don't know if traits like honourable remove either of the modifiers but something like that ought to be implemented. Hell, for anyone not greedy/ envious/ ambitious the second modifier ought to go. If Jaime had succeeded Tywin, I doubt Tyrion would protest. If Brandon Stark had inherited, Eddard Stark wouldn't have complained. And while these are two of the more decent characters in ASOIAF, I don't feel like it is out of the realm of possibility that a great many second sons to feel likewise.
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Post by Karl on Mar 8, 2019 14:47:43 GMT
If Brandon Stark had inherited, Eddard Stark wouldn't have complained. And while these are two of the more decent characters in ASOIAF, I don't feel like it is out of the realm of possibility that a great many second sons to feel likewise. I had the exact same thought as I started reading your post. Kinda made me giggle to think of Ned hating Brandon just because his brother was before him in the chain of inheritance.  |
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Post by rufff1 on Mar 8, 2019 14:57:53 GMT
I'd suggest cranking the sibling modifier up to 40 - it allows for a slight twinge of resentment if your sibling is the one with the family castle but nothing more than a twinge - I'd leave the title claimants and pretender and claimant to x modifiers as they currently are though because two cousins disliking one another because of claims would be very realistic
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Post by loopykid on Mar 10, 2019 7:42:36 GMT
I'd suggest cranking the sibling modifier up to 40 Despite that being a good possibility, you can't be assured of sibling love. Just as Ned still loves Brandon, Lyanna and Benjen the opposite is true for the Baratheon brothers Robert, Stannis and Renly. I simply feel removing the second modifier (Pretender and Claimant to the Lordship of X: -25) if someone has the trait(s) honourable and/ or content. The extra opinion given to the sibling who inherited the titles due to the honourable/ content traits makes up the difference. |
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Post by rufff1 on Mar 10, 2019 8:21:48 GMT
I'd suggest cranking the sibling modifier up to 40 Despite that being a good possibility, you can't be assured of sibling love. Just as Ned still loves Brandon, Lyanna and Benjen the opposite is true for the Baratheon brothers Robert, Stannis and Renly. I simply feel removing the second modifier (Pretender and Claimant to the Lordship of X: -25) if someone has the trait(s) honourable and/ or content. The extra opinion given to the sibling who inherited the titles due to the honourable/ content traits makes up the difference. Sure you can't be assured of it, but even with the Baratheon there was a fondness - Robert admitted he never really understood either of them but he still cared for them, Stannis clearly deeply regrets what he did to Renly, which was born out of a sense of duty rather than hatred, I think the Baratheon brothers had such diametrically opposed personalities that if they weren't related they'd absolutely hate each other, instead they tolerated each other well enough, reflecting the way blood is thicker than water. The game already allows for this to be reflected quite well, if a character is ruthless, cruel and selfish and their sibling is charitable, just, kind and honorable they will dislike each other quite a lot even with the sibling modifier I propose, as for removing the second modifier it is worth remembering that it makes sense for when claimants aren't siblings - if you have a cousin or a next door lord who goes round saying he is rightful ruler of your castle you WOULD hate each other, when it's your brother saying "one day I could inherit" it's just a slight twinge of frustration which is why I suggest cranking sibling up to 40 not 45 so there's still a -5 opinion if they're a claimant |
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Post by loopykid on Mar 25, 2019 22:06:59 GMT
Despite that being a good possibility, you can't be assured of sibling love. Just as Ned still loves Brandon, Lyanna and Benjen the opposite is true for the Baratheon brothers Robert, Stannis and Renly. I simply feel removing the second modifier (Pretender and Claimant to the Lordship of X: -25) if someone has the trait(s) honourable and/ or content. The extra opinion given to the sibling who inherited the titles due to the honourable/ content traits makes up the difference. ...if you have a cousin or a next door lord who goes round saying he is rightful ruler of your castle you WOULD hate each other, when it's your brother saying "one day I could inherit" it's just a slight twinge of frustration which is why I suggest cranking sibling up to 40 not 45 so there's still a -5 opinion if they're a claimant And that frustration can very easily fester and become resentment, or feeling like you're entitled to something more than you have. "I wish I had been firstborn". And, as I said, you can't be assured of sibling love. I could get behind an uptick in opinion of 30 but no higher. |
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Post by jedi7000nathan on Apr 7, 2019 19:09:05 GMT
I say just throw it out all together or make it a -10 because -45 is absurd, in the base game its less then half of that.
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