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Post by Elotyr on Aug 22, 2019 17:03:23 GMT
I think that is clear that this threat was not really a theory but more of a "What If?" kind of scenario, so no need to take it so seriously. About Tyrion and Tywin, well this is your opinion, i personally enjoy the extra layer it gives to they relationship. Tywin, Westeros best dad btw, is kind of stuck with Tyrion, a drunken whoring dwarf of a son, that if that was true he thinks may not even be his real son, instead of the two handed badass that was Jaime, and yet because of all his assholeness to the kid he becomes the closest to him of all his children when comes to mind. Also the level of hatred that Tywin has for Tyrion doesn't make a lot of sense, yeah he "killed" his wife by being goddam born, is a dwarf, but making your garrison rape the dude's wife? A bit to much. Yeah he still a asshole if Tyrion is a dragon seed with hair so blonde is almost white and dark cof.. purple... cof.. eye, but a little more "justified" in his hatred. It isn't my opinion but Genna's, she was kinda mother for Tywin's children after Joanna died. And what kind of father is Tywin for Tyrion isn't any evidence if he is truly his son. Tyrion has also strings of black hair, not only pale blonde, and his eyes are black, not purple. When George was talking about hiding purple eyes he depicted them as blue. I was refering to when you said "Making him Mad King's son destroys his relationship with his father." when said it was your opinion, i thinked i made myself clear with the follow up phrase, sorry if it was not the case. Also in that phrase of Genna she was clearly talking about personality and mind, not in a genetic sense. Or you think she is of the opinion that Jaime is a bastard? And talking about the same set of eyes... "Egg had big eyes, and somehow his shaven head made them look even larger. In the dimness of the lamplit cellar they looked black, but in better light their true colour could be seen: deep and dark and purple. Valyrian eyes." - Duncan in the Sworn Sword. And then we get Rhaegar with his of a "dark indigo" what would probrably be closer to black than blue, the point being some characters when trying to pass them as normal eyes say they are blue. |
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Post by argotin on Aug 22, 2019 17:59:25 GMT
Sorry, i didn't catch that.
We inherit much of our personality after our parents, that's genetic too, Jaimie was much closer to Tywin's brothers, but Tyrion was like Tywin.
In dark places all dark eyes look black, and indigo is still blue, not black, even dark indigo.
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Post by Elotyr on Aug 22, 2019 20:18:12 GMT
Sorry, i didn't catch that. We inherit much of our personality after our parents, that's genetic too, Jaimie was much closer to Tywin's brothers, but Tyrion was like Tywin. In dark places all dark eyes look black, and indigo is still blue, not black, even dark indigo. Fair enough, but then again when comes to Tyrion i think creation hit much more harder than genetics, genitic speaking he is a mess after all, the dude is a goddam Chimera don't matter who his father is  en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chimera_(genetics) yeah, wikipedia, but is a cool read if you want to get into it. I ask myself how much Martin thinks of genetics when making his character sometimes. About eyes, yes you problably have a point, is just that dark eye of his was always a weird thing i couldn't just put down as "Oh he his a weird dwarf" you know? Coupled with his dragon dreams... But yeah, probrably just a red hearring and i'm reading to much in the color thing. Btw, not wanting to get in a dress-like territory, but i always took Indigo as a dark purple rather than blue. Oh well... |
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Post by aconda on Aug 22, 2019 20:46:54 GMT
Sorry, i didn't catch that. We inherit much of our personality after our parents, that's genetic too, Jaimie was much closer to Tywin's brothers, but Tyrion was like Tywin. In dark places all dark eyes look black, and indigo is still blue, not black, even dark indigo. Fair enough, but then again when comes to Tyrion i think creation hit much more harder than genetics, genitic speaking he is a mess after all, the dude is a goddam Chimera don't matter who his father is en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chimera_(genetics) yeah, wikipedia, but is a cool read if you want to get into it. I ask myself how much Martin thinks of genetics when making his character sometimes. About eyes, yes you problably have a point, is just that dark eye of his was always a weird thing i couldn't just put down as "Oh he his a weird dwarf" you know? Coupled with his dragon dreams... But yeah, probrably just a red hearring and i'm reading to much in the color thing. Btw, not wanting to get in a dress-like territory, but i always took Indigo as a dark purple rather than blue. Oh well... I think there defenetly is a construct in place to have us doubt about the origins of Tywin his kids.  Would it have been Jaime and Cersei.... most writers would hint towards that and we could have guessed it. Same goes for if the writer wanted it to be for Tyrion. And GRRM overflows us with breadcrumbs for both sides to pick up on, knowing some readers will fancy the breadcrumbs from one part, while other readers will fancy the breadcrumbs that have different angle's. This kind of setting really allows for great interaction in the fanbase, wich helps keeping the story alive and.... the more time passes for an ambigues setting, the more creative a fanbase can become, all contributing in keeping a story alive.
Before the internet was invented..... this kind of concept was not really possible, doubt anyone from a time before the internet could really imagine how instant communication worldwide would look like. GRRM might have pondered about that concept, he was a great fan of Tolkien and has interviews explaining how theory's would go trough written letters from people.
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Post by lordumber93 on Aug 23, 2019 2:07:34 GMT
I wouldn't let eye color dictate too much, y'all. As a real life example, my grandfather has Grey eyes(yes, it's a real eye color. A mutation of Blue and exists in Nordic countries), and mawmaw had blue eyes. My dad had Amber eyes(a variation of hazel, with more golden coloring) as do I.
Besides our eye colors, you can tell by our other physical traits we're all descendants of pawpaw.
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