More Bloodlines Submod - v3.0 Now Out (AGOT 2.2 compatible)

Kl well let me know how you're finding it  

Great to hear - on Sunday I should be releasing 1.1 which adds the trait gain system and a few new bloodlines and some ancient kings as bloodline founders

Glad to hear you like it! Let me know any suggestions you have

Hmmm so this is a complicated one I've given a fair amount of thought to.

First off Jahaerys and Alysanne worked together as a pair and anything one of them achieved was through the help of the other so in my mind his bloodline is in many regards hers. It's almost a shame a bloodline can't have a joint founder because jahaerys without alysanne would not have been so great at all.

In terms of Alysanne in canon only two of her daughters had children, Daella whose daughter (Aemma Arryn) married straight back into the Targ main line and Saera who had a few bastards of whom little is recorded at all. So realistically in canon the Alysanne bloodline if it's matrilineal dies out with Rhaenyra Targaryen. Now I have created bloodlines that lasted far less time (Bloodraven, Shiera Seastar etc) but those bloodlines don't currently a parallel bloodline that partially represents them like the Blood of the Conciliator does with Alysanne.

Secondly the bloodline either means I have to reduce the bonuses of the Jahaerys bloodline or really unbalances it and makes targs with both unstoppable. I don't want to reduce the jahaerys bloodline effects as Alysanne's dies out so quickly so by creating the bloodline I'd severely unbalance their kids who'd have an insane diplomacy level.

Lastly, owing to westerosi culture and marriage traditions I've shied away from matrilineal bloodlines. Now I've made bloodlines like Khiera of Leng and the courtesans of Braavos the bloodlines are obviously matrilineal but in westeros where people tend not to trace the female descent people wouldn't really notice a matrilineal bloodline (there are exceptions to this, so Black Aly gets a bloodline because her bloodline is a magic one, she has no way to pass on Blackwood blood but I think her kids should be able to use my trait gain system to get crow skinchanging as if they had the Blackwood bloodline) but for non magic/genetic (tall, strong etc) bloodlines, where the bloodline is just meant to reflect a reputation that helps you pep up troops or win a negotiation or convince people of a cunning plan westerosi people won't care who your great great grandma is (shitty and patriarchal as it is).

This is at the heart of why there isn't currently a Queen Alysanne bloodline and why Dany has a patrilineal bloodline, i.e. if you started a jahaerys playthrough after 5 generations the targs probably wouldn't have the Aysanne bloodline and the only person with it would be the great great great  granddaughter who is in a random barony somewhere with alyssane's daughter having been married to a lord paramount, whose daughter was married to a high lord, whose daughter was married to a lord, whose daughter was married to a poorer lord whose daughter was married to a baron (for example) if I take a look at my playthroughs and I trace my female line in a agnatic or agnatic/cognatic setting like westeros, unless I'm marrying them back into my own line it only takes a few generations for them to become almost completely irrelevant.

Ok so by extinct with Rhaenyra I meant no longer passed on  by her kids (although thinking about it Rhaenys the Queen who never was alkso has it so Laena Velaryon and her Targ daughters by Daemon, so it would rattle around Baela Targaryen's Valyrian kids for a while), but it leaves the main Targ line with Aegon III who can't transmit it. Regardless I stand by not wanting to reduce Jahaerys' bonuses as the Alysanne bloodline dies out pretty quickly and this stops their kids being OP. However, I agree Alysanne was great which is why the description makes a point to mention her at length, and I think I might actually change the title of the Bloodline to be "Bloodline of the Conciliator and the Good Queen" to better reflect that this is essentially a joint bloodline

Oh yes ofc, so then yeah, extinct with the sons of Rhaenyra as they can't pass it on

"Secondly the bloodline either means I have to reduce the bonuses of the Jahaerys bloodline or really unbalances it and makes targs with both unstoppable."

in my mind Alyssane's bloodline would give +1 diplomacy and a buff with ladies or somenthing in this way...but i get it.