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Post by rufff1 on May 10, 2019 7:08:38 GMT
Meant to ask earlier but are there more options to create your own bloodline even if your a custom house or just the regular options? So not through the the "forge bloodline ambition which will just yield the standard ones, buuuuut there are a number of creatable bloodlines if you fulfill particular conditions - harrenahl bloodlines and the great Warg bloodlines being examples. I do want to keep expanding this list where possible and I'm always open for new suggestions
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Post by azsouth on May 10, 2019 7:47:53 GMT
I feel like all the supermajor houses: Targaryen, Gardner, Greyjoy, Stark, Lannister, Hoare, Durrandon, Baratheon, Martell, Tully, and Arryn should have "all_descendants" because even great houses that come from female lines still claim descent from these houses. Maybe a second tier where houses like Blackwood, Royce, Bracken, Dayne, Reyne, Crakehall, Bolton, Umber, Dustin, Yronwood, Harlaw, Goodbrother, Drumm, Tarth, Tarly, Hightower, and Velaryon can have the potential to elevate themselves to supermajor lines and a women could pass down maybe a slightly nerfed bloodline or something. Then all the "lessor lines" that are nice to get but are really only prestige buffs with possible trait acquisitions or something (they wouldn't give states or duel skill or anything) that are paternally passed down.
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Post by rufff1 on May 10, 2019 9:10:14 GMT
I feel like all the supermajor houses: Targaryen, Gardner, Greyjoy, Stark, Lannister, Hoare, Durrandon, Baratheon, Martell, Tully, and Arryn should have "all_descendants" because even great houses that come from female lines still claim descent from these houses. Maybe a second tier where houses like Blackwood, Royce, Bracken, Dayne, Reyne, Crakehall, Bolton, Umber, Dustin, Yronwood, Harlaw, Goodbrother, Drumm, Tarth, Tarly, Hightower, and Velaryon can have the potential to elevate themselves to supermajor lines and a women could pass down maybe a slightly nerfed bloodline or something. Then all the "lessor lines" that are nice to get but are really only prestige buffs with possible trait acquisitions or something (they wouldn't give states or duel skill or anything) that are paternally passed down. Ok but then you get the issue of them getting passed down constantly - so a Stark marries an Umber and passes on the bloodline, then their Umber marries a Norrey and because there's no way to tell the game that only Stark women are permitted to pass it on House Norrey has the bloodline, then after a hundred years literally every house in the North has the stark bloodline, and on top of it 30% of the entire north are walking around with wolves/direwolves because of the skinchanging mechanics. To show you how sprawling this would get the one bloodline in the mod that is set to all_descendants - the "A Drop of Dragon Blood" bloodline founded by the Targaryens offering a slight dragon taming bonus - has well over a hundred members in later bookmarks with the following houses claiming membership: the Starks, the Baratheons, the Velaryons, the Blackwoods, the Freys, the Penroses, the Lannisters, the Arryns, the Presters, the Martells, the Braxs, the Daynes, the Bulwers, the Corbrays, the Green Fossoways, the Goodbrooks, the Lynderlys, the Wensingtons, the Wyldes, the Plumms, the Tarths, the Tolands, the Qorgyles, the Waynwoods, the Templetons, the Tyrells, the Redwynes, the Crakehalls, the Swanns, the Waxleys and the Royces - and this is a bloodline founded by a house famous for marrying sibling to sibling and therefore not spreading their blood outside the house - imagine how bad it would get if attached to a house that didn't marry siblings to one another! Ultimately I wish that paradox has implemented bloodlines slightly differently, such as blackninja had done them back in his bloodline mod where characters inherited bloodlines from their mothers but didn't pass them on unless they were the child of a matrilineal marriage, but sadly that's not what paradox chose to do and bloodline inheritance is hard coded. I have done my best to use events to give all those houses that claim a bloodline via the female line said bloodline, i.e. Baratheons have Durrandon bloodlines, Spicers have the Maggy the Frog bloodline, Saera Targaryen's bastards have the targ bloodlines, and if you can think of any I've missed I'll add them too, but the thing is there is a clear difference between how houses approach kinship and descent - basically every house in westeros is tied by kinship to every other house like a giant game of Seven Degrees of Kevin Bacon, it's when a house chooses to emphasise their links to a particular house that this becomes important and it's not without consequence. So yes a house like the Crakhalls could start pointing out all the time that they are descendants of the Lannister but it would have multiple effects both positive and negative, most prominently of reducing the prestige of the Crakehall side by basically presenting themselves as a cadet branch of House Lannister rather than an independent house. Now this is not to say there aren't advantages to doing that, if your house has very little prestige of their own becoming an unofficial cadet house is useful and your not loosing much in distancing yourself from your original heritage - i.e. House Baratheon was a sigiless bastard house, taking the words, sigil and heritage of the Baratheons was eminently sensible on Orys' part. An additional problem is emphasising your links to another house essentially makes you a junior branch of them - you are laying claim to the prestige of the house but the main line will always have more claim to it. But if that house was more powerful than you and is now extinct emphasising your links to the house makes sense as you are claiming to be heirs to their prestige - i.e. Whilst the Hoares were around the Volmarks probably didn't make such a fuss of their Hoare heritage, doing more to emphasise their own heritage whilst acknowledging their kninship to the Hoares, switching to emphasising their Hoare descent once all the Hoares were gone. Additionally there's no way to change bloodline inheritance once it is created so to do the bloodline elevating you suggest you'd have to create an entirely new bloodline which feels kinda pointless tbh
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Post by agyleon on May 10, 2019 11:43:50 GMT
well I could program a custom inheritence type if there is interest. Like only first-enatic descendent or something like that, shouldn'T be that hard
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Post by rufff1 on May 10, 2019 11:50:16 GMT
well I could program a custom inheritence type if there is interest. Like only first-enatic descendent or something like that, shouldn'T be that hard Have DMed
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Post by House Tempest on May 12, 2019 17:09:04 GMT
Mod constantly CoA glitching, any help?
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Post by robstark on May 14, 2019 0:34:08 GMT
Small thing of note - descendants of a legitimized Jon Targaryen still get the procession-through-winterfell starks event for funerals.
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Post by kewlslice on May 14, 2019 11:28:35 GMT
Mod constantly CoA glitching, any help? I'm getting a similar problem. A lot of duchies have comepletely wrong CoA's, as well as certain dynasties. Targaryens have part of their dragon, but underneath have some other CoA attached? I'm going to take pictures and post them in a few minutes.
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Post by kewlslice on May 14, 2019 11:44:13 GMT
So if I attached these images properly, you can see that Robb's title CoA is not the North one, but the one for the empire-level Vale title (forget the name). Then looking at Dany's dynasty CoA, you can see it's only half Targaryen, the other half being something else. Attachments:
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Post by kewlslice on May 15, 2019 2:21:34 GMT
Ooh, maybe like a fish with a wolf's head for a Stark of White Harbour?
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Post by Rhaenys on May 15, 2019 13:14:18 GMT
I've started the Harrenal restoration event chain as Rhaena Targaryen and, after completing it and getting the bloodline (I've got also the immortality chain, so that's why I've completed all the chain with the same character), I got an event about cannibalism fired identifying her a Danelle Lothston descendant. But Rhaena lived some centuries before Danelle and hadn't any Lothston in her family tree. It's possible to fix the bug to allow a non-Lothston text for characters unrelated to this house?
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Post by aconda on May 15, 2019 16:01:36 GMT
Ooh, maybe like a fish with a wolf's head for a Stark of White Harbour? Something like this? (It's not a wolfmaid)
The Vanilla game's dynasties_cadet3 also has a really cool Merwolf version, ment for a stark/valeryon branch.
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Post by rorladconvery on May 15, 2019 18:35:56 GMT
So I usually do a House Qoherys play through and I wanted a bloodline to start off with to have a sort of head canon for the founder or descendant of the founder of my house. Does anyone know where I can find bloodlines in the mod files for some ideas and how I can console an event to trigger my character having them? Loving this mod.
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Post by kewlslice on May 16, 2019 4:43:11 GMT
Wait, which version of the mod is this submod compatible with? I've been running it with 1.9, and I think that's probably why CoA's are messed up.
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Post by kewlslice on May 16, 2019 4:44:03 GMT
Ooh, maybe like a fish with a wolf's head for a Stark of White Harbour? Something like this? (It's not a wolfmaid)
The Vanilla game's dynasties_cadet3 also has a really cool Merwolf version, ment for a stark/valeryon branch.
Maybe something like this? Attachments:
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