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Post by ogarrr on Jan 28, 2019 11:29:30 GMT
I would personally make it an event gained agnatic bloodline. Otherwise everyone will end up with it eventually. Then maybe you could make it stack, so the Velaryons and Baratheons end up with more than just a drop of Dragon blood whereas other houses, such as Martell, have just the drop.
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Post by rufff1 on Jan 28, 2019 11:43:04 GMT
I would personally make it an event gained agnatic bloodline. Otherwise everyone will end up with it eventually. Then maybe you could make it stack, so the Velaryons and Baratheons end up with more than just a drop of Dragon blood whereas other houses, such as Martell, have just the drop. It does currently stack and I am thinking of giving the Velaryons a dragon bonus in their existing bloodline - although they also have high valyrian culture which provides a bonus as well. I've deliberately set the bonus quite low with the idea that eventually everyone will have it in mind, it is nowhere near enough to realistically tame a dragon without other bonuses, but its a good way to represent a slight edge a character might have over one with absolutely no Targ blood. I'm less convinced about the Baratheons having a bonus though, sure Orys would probably have had a decent shot at taming a dragon but aside from Rhaelle and Alyssa Velaryon they almost entirely married Stormlanders so any dragon taming blood is probably at a fairly similar concentration to the Martells I'd argue. |
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Post by ogarrr on Jan 28, 2019 17:49:47 GMT
I still think that after 300 years there shouldn't really be everyone running around with dragon blood. With the system that gives multiple instances as well, people could marry and get a lot of it without having to marry into the Targaryens. With agnatic, it sticks with certain houses who canonically claimed a drop or two of dragon blood from the Targs specifically marrying into their family.
The idea on its own is great though.
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Post by aconda on Jan 29, 2019 14:51:06 GMT
I still think that after 300 years there shouldn't really be everyone running around with dragon blood. With the system that gives multiple instances as well, people could marry and get a lot of it without having to marry into the Targaryens. With agnatic, it sticks with certain houses who canonically claimed a drop or two of dragon blood from the Targs specifically marrying into their family. The idea on its own is great though. Yeah the concept is just really interesting, frankly... genetics doesn't care for man made rules like only Agnotic inheritance and GRRM really does a great job placing ambigues breadcrumbs everywere, some to picked up upon later and turning others into red harrings. The genetics for dragon bonding can be dorment, similiar to how greenseer ability's are handled. GRRM did confirm that all 5 Stark children had warging ability's, wich means that Ned to some extend had aswell, they just were dorment, but did pass them on. There might even be an historical figurehead who's legacy just split off over thousands of years of seperation and the 'magical' genepools that came from it perhaps mutated somewhat differently so with Daenerys her gifts, the same could be said about her parents. Dorment to some extend for the mad king and his wife.
I'm doing alot of research into this and perhaps it's best not to go into too much theory details here because of possible spoiler content that can come with it, but i'm more then happy to share opinion when asked so.
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Post by rufff1 on Jan 29, 2019 15:17:30 GMT
I still think that after 300 years there shouldn't really be everyone running around with dragon blood. With the system that gives multiple instances as well, people could marry and get a lot of it without having to marry into the Targaryens. With agnatic, it sticks with certain houses who canonically claimed a drop or two of dragon blood from the Targs specifically marrying into their family. The idea on its own is great though. Yeah the concept is just really interesting, frankly... genetics doesn't care for man made rules like only Agnotic inheritance and GRRM really does a great job placing ambigues breadcrumbs everywere, some to picked up upon later and turning others into red harrings. The genetics for dragon bonding can be dorment, similiar to how greenseer ability's are handled. GRRM did confirm that all 5 Stark children had warging ability's, wich means that Ned to some extend had aswell, they just were dorment, but did pass them on. There might even be an historical figurehead who's legacy just split off over thousands of years of seperation and the 'magical' genepools that came from it perhaps mutated somewhat differently so with Daenerys her gifts, the same could be said about her parents. Dorment to some extend for the mad king and his wife.
I'm doing alot of research into this and perhaps it's best not to go into too much theory details here because of possible spoiler content that can come with it, but i'm more then happy to share opinion when asked so.
yeah so I agree with a lot of what you're saying about the magical abilities often being latent across many descendants, many of whom are unaware of their gifts, to clarify for ogarrr when I said they stack I meant they don't conflict with other bloodlines such as the Targaryen bloodline, or Aegon I's, Dany's, Viserys Plumm's and House Velaryon which all boost dragon taming, multiple instances of the Drop bloodline don't stack. I think making it dormant is not the right way to go as its really unclear what conditions should make it activate, so instead its just a really small boost, so its basically like how when Quentyn tried to tame Viserion the dragons paused for a while before burning him, so the bloodline on its own won't let you train a dragon, but dragons do seem to respond to even traces of Targ blood so a 10% boost to a rather difficult task is a good way of reflecting that I feel, as for everyone having the bloodline after a while, I don't think it will be a problem, even after 300 years only 15 or so houses have it and sure it will be an exponential curve but it will still take several hundred years even in the later bookmarks to work its way through, also the boost is so limited that it should not affect balance in any meaningful way (plus its a fun way to see who has Targaryen descent) |
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Post by aegonisablackfyre on Jan 29, 2019 20:02:05 GMT
Hey! Would anyone happen to know how to make More Bloodlines and Congenital Overhaul compatible? Not sure how to make the two compatible with each other, since I've also included Tubbs' Better Faces. If anyone could help that would be greatly appreciated!
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Post by rufff1 on Jan 30, 2019 0:19:36 GMT
Hey! Would anyone happen to know how to make More Bloodlines and Congenital Overhaul compatible? Not sure how to make the two compatible with each other, since I've also included Tubbs' Better Faces. If anyone could help that would be greatly appreciated! ....download the congenital overhaul patch linked right under the mod download link.... |
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Post by rufff1 on Jan 30, 2019 0:20:20 GMT
Also tubbs doesn't affect history files so doesn't conflict with this
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Post by Lord Gardener on Jan 30, 2019 10:38:54 GMT
Hi,
When i hatch a dragon egg, the dragon has a portrait of a high Valyrian boy / girl with a different family of targaryen dragons ...
for example: syrax egg with Viserys II
I have your mod + CO 1.8 + patch for CO
Thanx !
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Post by rufff1 on Jan 30, 2019 15:48:47 GMT
Hi, When i hatch a dragon egg, the dragon has a portrait of a high Valyrian boy / girl with a different family of targaryen dragons ... for example: syrax egg with Viserys II I have your mod + CO 1.8 + patch for CO Thanx ! Can you upload save file? |
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Post by Lord Gardener on Jan 30, 2019 20:05:10 GMT
Hi, When i hatch a dragon egg, the dragon has a portrait of a high Valyrian boy / girl with a different family of targaryen dragons ... for example: syrax egg with Viserys II I have your mod + CO 1.8 + patch for CO Thanx ! Can you upload save file? Thanx ! www.mediafire.com/file/g5bh4nc66hm4mo6/8182_03_08.ck2/file |
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Post by dani1887 on Jan 31, 2019 9:46:43 GMT
I just play with this mod (apart from AGOT obviously) and it turns out that the checksum is not correct. I crash the game every so often.
If I remove the submod it does not fail
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Post by rufff1 on Jan 31, 2019 16:13:11 GMT
Hi, When i hatch a dragon egg, the dragon has a portrait of a high Valyrian boy / girl with a different family of targaryen dragons ... for example: syrax egg with Viserys II I have your mod + CO 1.8 + patch for CO Thanx ! Hmm, I've had a look and I can't be entirely sure but I reckon this might be a base AGOT problem - by the look of things the dragon culture CK2 added in Holy Fury is conflicting with the dragon culture of the mod, which is why you get dragons inheriting Meereen and shagging random courtiers, I don't think any of my events have caused this and I don't change cultures, but I'll keep an eye out on this |
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Post by wurzeldieb on Feb 2, 2019 15:46:41 GMT
do you have any intentions to change the creating a bloodline system? with your mod great houses get all the bloodlines of their legendary ancestors, but we can only create one bloodline of one ancestor, it would be nice if every ruler has the potential to create an own bloodline even if he already has a "created bloodline"
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Post by rufff1 on Feb 2, 2019 16:50:44 GMT
do you have any intentions to change the creating a bloodline system? with your mod great houses get all the bloodlines of their legendary ancestors, but we can only create one bloodline of one ancestor, it would be nice if every ruler has the potential to create an own bloodline even if he already has a "created bloodline" So almost all my bloodlines are flagged as historical and don't block new bloodlines being created. The not being able to create two bloodlines is a vanilla thing paradox put in to prevent someone gaining multiple bloodlines in a lifetime, changing it would be simple enough, but I think theres merit to limits on the amount of bloodlines you can create yourself, it should be quite an achievement after all. I do eventually want to create more creatable bloodlines and might change things then to make creating multiple bloodlines possible but its not my priority rn and I also don't have a huge amount of creatable bloodlines to add (always open to new suggestions) so I won't be doing it any time soon |
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