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Post by bdrro on Dec 20, 2018 17:42:20 GMT
So I do not know if this would be a popular idea, but I would really like it, so I will throw it out there.
King's Landing is a huge city, what with the Red Keep, Sept of Baelor, 7 different gates, Flea Bottom, etc. Could King's Landing possibly be divided up into multiple counties? What I mean is like the Red Keep being its own small county, Flea Bottom, etc. It would simulate sieges in a more roleplay sense, I believe. When an army comes to siege King's Landing, they wont go straight for the Red Keep, first they must take the city, than move their way to the castle. I believe King's Landing is large enough to be split up like this, but I understand if it could not work.
Doing this will, also, allow you to have a sept in the Red Keep, allowing you to keep a septon, which I always lose if I give away Dragonstone to my heir.
I could also see the Dragon Pit being a good central place to keep all the dragons, if one chooses to use the Dragon Pit
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Post by Toccs on Dec 20, 2018 20:44:33 GMT
It would simulate sieges in a more roleplay sense, I believe. When an army comes to siege King's Landing, they wont go straight for the Red Keep, first they must take the city, than move their way to the castle.
You could just walk your army through the city provinces and straight to the Red Keep province. The AI certainly would do that everytime and so would any player that's not forcing themselves to roleplay.
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Post by bdrro on Dec 21, 2018 18:26:31 GMT
I can see that issue, but I still believe the other points stand. When you play as King, you usually end up with only King's Landing, unless you take other people's land which I never like to do; (I like to let the families keep their ancestral home whenever possible), and by splitting up King's Landing, you would be able to have more provinces under your control, giving you more to do.
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Post by fastrike on Dec 21, 2018 18:36:37 GMT
I don't really see the point, there are other massive cities around in the free cities. Would they also be edited? It seems like a lot of work for something that deosn't really change that much. Creating more counties and map editing is also a lot of work. It would take time away from doing other stuff more important to the mod.
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Post by rufff1 on Dec 21, 2018 18:55:34 GMT
I wonder if a two province setup of KL and the Red Keep with the Red Keep only reachable via KL so that you could station an army in KL to simulate a siege - the Red Keep is the main holding of KL so if you siege it you capture the court anyway so bypassing conquering the city is already possible, you could definitely have multiple holdings in the Red Keep - outer walls, Maegors Holdfast, Tower of the Hand, Maidenvault, Royal Chapel, The White Tower.
Splitting the province in two would also let you simulate when kings lost control of the city as they did repeatedly in the dance - I'd make the main holding of the city province the city watch to mirror the control the goldcloaks can wield and the way that sometimes they would oppose the king, this would also make giving it a history far easier as the commander of the goldcloaks can already be used.
Id also use the opportunity offered by more red keep/kings landing holdings to create a duchy level title and a barony for the tower of the hand (maybe it'd have to be a king level title) so that you could appoint vassals of vassals as hands (hightowers, butterwells, strongs etc) the current system of making say harrenhal a direct vassal of the IT isn't very realistic
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Post by bdrro on Dec 21, 2018 19:33:10 GMT
A two province setup could work well, and that was my main thing. Kings have lost King's Landing but have been able to hold out in the Red Keep for a time, and it will also allow you to build a sept, and I really like your idea for the Hand of the King. Two provinces would work nicely, and hopefully would not be too much of a hassle to make.
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Post by Paxter Redwyne on Dec 21, 2018 20:40:24 GMT
It probably wouldn't work very well. Also the King's strength relies on his vassals(if they are loyal), not his holdings. Westeros doesn't have absolute monarchy and is heavily decentralized.
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Post by rufff1 on Dec 21, 2018 21:12:21 GMT
Also it's not without precedent- volantis and lannisport/casterly rock are already 2 provinces - it's a little strange Winterfell and kings Landing have the same number of holding slots
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Post by rufff1 on Dec 21, 2018 21:20:23 GMT
It probably wouldn't work very well. Also the King's strength relies on his vassals(if they are loyal), not his holdings. Westeros doesn't have absolute monarchy and is heavily decentralized. Yes but the power of the Iron Throne comes from having a massive city giving it wealth right next door much like the lannisters who do have just such a two province set up of castle and city (also so do the Martells and Planktown isn't even a city!).I think there's the potential for it to work well with Kings Landing having a couple of castles for the city guard, a sept for the great sept of baelor and then four city holdings to represent that Kings Landing is the largest city in westeros. Then the red keep has all castles and one sept for holdings to mirror that it's pretty difficult to conquer the whole thing. I don't think this would cause any problems as you already siege maegors holdfast first in the current set up. Also yes westeros is decentralised but kings Landing is still a very potent feudal possession. Plus I don't think it would create problems - lannisport, Sunspear and Volantis all already use this system - if it's let to two provinces with the RK only reachable through KL it's should be fine I agree KL probably shouldn't be directly held by the king so I'd suggest the following setup: Kings Landing : The Dragon Gate -Capital and held by the Captain of the Goldcloaks The Lion Gate (?) - think this is the current second Gate holding used in the mod currently The Great Sept of Baelor - High Septon Flea Bottom - as is Dragonpit - torn on this, the dragon keepers in F&B could be an argument for making it a military holding but as it's essentially the whole hill probably best for a city holding Cobblers Square - city holding The Docks - city holding with the royal shipyard building Red Keep: Maegors Holdfast - capital The Tower of the Hand - held by the hand through the mechanic I suggested above The Sept of the Red Keep - sept - septon barth can have it before he becomes hand if it gets a history The White sword tower - current kingsguard system The Maidenvault - military command castle, title holder as castellan - maybe create a decision for zealous characters, i.e. Baelor, that dumps all unmarried women of the court to this holding and clears it of men so that they can't meet men Outer Wards - military command castle The Black Cells - military command held by the chief gaolor or kings justice |
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Post by belovedtyrant on Dec 21, 2018 21:28:00 GMT
While I don't think it's necessarily a bad idea, keep in mind how silly it will look in pre-Conquest bookmarks when King's Landing is just empty farmland.
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Post by rufff1 on Dec 21, 2018 21:37:38 GMT
While I don't think it's necessarily a bad idea, keep in mind how silly it will look in pre-Conquest bookmarks when King's Landing is just empty farmland. so don't make the provinces huge on the map, leave them cartographically small but it's basically a Hong Kong analogue - a perfect site for a major metropolis but everyone was too thick to realise for hundreds of years |
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