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Post by Dawnbreaker on Dec 19, 2018 2:06:00 GMT
There's a problem with House Coldwater of Coldwater Burn. I was playing House Royce and my liege lord asked me to transfer their vassalage to the Lynderly's of the Northweald. As dejure lords this event will fire and you'll be forced to transfer them or piss of your liege. I think a solution would be to remove Coldwater Burn from dejure Northweald and make it dejure Vale like Lonely Light or Bear Island. Though, I don't know if that would mean the liege then considering them their own dejure vassals. Not certain what the solution is, making you could make that event not fire in certain circumstances.
This is sort of in the same vein as another bug/suggestion so I'm comfortable mentioning it in this thread. House Banefort are bannermen of Casterly Rock, but in game they are Bannermen of House Westerling of the Crag, the Crag being the dejure duchy they're in. It used to be House Westerling weren't dukes so they were both sworn directly to Casterly Rock, but now they are and with House Banefort as vassals. Unless you demoted House Westerling you'd need the same sort of solution here if you wanted to put Banefort in their proper place as Rock vassals.
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Post by rufff1 on Dec 19, 2018 8:10:00 GMT
I'm a fan of keeping the Baneforts vassals to the Westerlings - they are clearly a great house of the Westerlands so being dukes makes sense, and because of the location, if you marry Jeyne as Robb and vassalise the Westerlings the Banefort is a land bridge to their holdings, it even makes a certain sense that you can do this, Lord Quenten Banefort is Robb's prisoner so you can view it that he bent the knee with the Westerlings to escape jail
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Post by Dawnbreaker on Dec 19, 2018 9:29:38 GMT
The Westerlings aren't supposed to be powerful at the time of the war of the 5 Kings, but that's besides the point, the Baneforts are supposed to be bannermen of Casterly Rock and they aren't, so it's not accurate to have them as Westerling bannerman. If in the end the team prefer it this way I'm not going to kick a fuss about it, but as far as I remember they were sticklers for accuracy.
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Post by knuckey on Dec 24, 2018 11:07:13 GMT
The Westerlings aren't supposed to be powerful at the time of the war of the 5 Kings, but that's besides the point, the Baneforts are supposed to be bannermen of Casterly Rock and they aren't, so it's not accurate to have them as Westerling bannerman. If in the end the team prefer it this way I'm not going to kick a fuss about it, but as far as I remember they were sticklers for accuracy. You could say this about most westerosi houses though. Technically in canon most houses are sworn to Lords Paramount, with very few what we'd call in CK2 terms dukes. Setting up the feudal structure to fit the mechanics of CK2 was a deliberate decision taken early on in the mod's development. |
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Post by Dawnbreaker on Dec 24, 2018 12:28:28 GMT
I don't know about that, you've been very consistent as far as I've seen about having houses sworn to the houses they're said to be sworn to no matter who or where they are.
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Post by rufff1 on Dec 29, 2018 12:58:21 GMT
One change I'd suggest making is making Dragonstone into a King tier title, the Velaryons should be duke tier based on prestige, the celtigars should be dukes to reflect their repeated attempts to bend Crackclaw point to their will - currently they have no way to vassalise it (they shouldn't be de jure lords obviously but they should have some way to conquer it), and Massey's Point is sworn to Dragonstone (they declared for Aegon and for Stannis) but currently as they are a Duke tier they are sworn directly to Kings Landing.
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Post by soulbourne on Dec 31, 2018 20:47:50 GMT
Not sure if this is the right thread for the dragonstone, but that one was bantered around awhile back: agotcitadel.boards.net/thread/1397/kingdom-title-dragonstone-lordship-driftmarkI'm more in favor of it being a titular kingdom for powerful heirs, as pointed out there, so that weak or subservient heirs dont throw their weight around but particular strong ones would claim it and a number of vassalages, allowing them much more inclination to weigh in on megawars due to being king, without allowing extra boost for more content or such princes to do something silly like break free of their parents reign. |
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Post by rufff1 on Dec 31, 2018 21:51:08 GMT
Not sure if this is the right thread for the dragonstone, but that one was bantered around awhile back: agotcitadel.boards.net/thread/1397/kingdom-title-dragonstone-lordship-driftmarkI'm more in favor of it being a titular kingdom for powerful heirs, as pointed out there, so that weak or subservient heirs dont throw their weight around but particular strong ones would claim it and a number of vassalages, allowing them much more inclination to weigh in on megawars due to being king, without allowing extra boost for more content or such princes to do something silly like break free of their parents reign. Ah fair - I get the not wanting them to make weak heirs break free thing, but I do think there should be some way to make the Masseys to be vassals of Dragonstone - which only works if they either lose their high lordship (which I do't think should happen) and give the Velaryons as higher than just lords (Fire & Blood repeatedly labels the second house of the realm until well past the DoD) or Dragonstone has at least the option to be a kingdom, is there some sort of way to make the title dynamic kind of like the way that constituent kingdoms of the iron throne can switch from being kingdom to empires? So that most of the time the kingdom title does not exist but you can appoint a member of your dynasty who is at least 16 and is capable as "Prince of Dragonstone" which also creates a kingdom tier title with Driftmark and Masseys Hook High Lordships becoming de jure vassals, then if the holder gains the Iron Throne the title gets destroyed and the vassals get transferred back to the Iron Throne? |
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