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Post by citizenq on Jul 7, 2018 16:06:44 GMT
Currently, we can do all kinds of horrible, awful things to subjects who are found guilty of crimes, either via court or combat, without getting hit with Tyranny. There is a large opinion malus with families for say, burning their father alive after he plotted to kill you, but you don't gain tyranny for it. This is the correct way of handling the situation in game.
My suggestion would be to allow the enslavement of subjects, without incurring tyranny, under the same circumstances as execution is allowed. Perhaps even make it a law that has to be passed. It just doesn't make any sense to me that slavery is considered a more tyrannical punishment than the rather extreme methods of execution currently available as non-tyrannical punishments.
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Post by sireilhart on Jul 7, 2018 17:57:33 GMT
I like it! The law thing is meh but the slavery ad punishment seems nice! it's better than killing everyone or forcing upon them in prison
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Post by widowmaker94 on Jul 7, 2018 19:04:46 GMT
It's theologically worse though.
If the Faith is anything like Christianity, then they probably came to the conclusion that ownership of human beings is inherently evil or wicked. Because owning a human being is placing yourself on level with God Himself, because he made and thus owns Man.
But in Westeros at least, the anti-slavery stuff should be kept in place.
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Post by stonewallace17 on Jul 7, 2018 19:54:24 GMT
It's theologically worse though. If the Faith is anything like Christianity, then they probably came to the conclusion that ownership of human beings is inherently evil or wicked. Because owning a human being is placing yourself on level with God Himself, because he made and thus owns Man. But in Westeros at least, the anti-slavery stuff should be kept in place. You can still change the laws to allow slavery in Westeros though, right? Just tie this to that law being passed and it would fit. Wouldn't make too much sense to have slavery but not be able to enslave prisoners. |
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Post by citizenq on Jul 7, 2018 21:16:58 GMT
It's theologically worse though. If the Faith is anything like Christianity, then they probably came to the conclusion that ownership of human beings is inherently evil or wicked. Because owning a human being is placing yourself on level with God Himself, because he made and thus owns Man. But in Westeros at least, the anti-slavery stuff should be kept in place. You can still change the laws to allow slavery in Westeros though, right? Just tie this to that law being passed and it would fit. Wouldn't make too much sense to have slavery but not be able to enslave prisoners. Not to mention that this idea falls apart if you manage to convert your realm to worshiping Rhllor or another religion aside from the Seven or the Old Gods. Currently have a Dayne campaign that started in the Bleeding Years. Converted to Rhllor early on. Took Dorne and the Stormlands, which I renamed The Kingdom of Dawn. The majority of the Kingdom is Rhllor at this point. Slavery was already legal in the Stormlands, and since its my primary title, it is legal throughout my realm now. However, I convict subjects of treason, and I am legally allowed to torture them to death, burn them alive etc, but not allowed to enslave them. Sorry, but this makes no sense. |
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Post by widowmaker94 on Jul 8, 2018 2:19:53 GMT
It's theologically worse though. If the Faith is anything like Christianity, then they probably came to the conclusion that ownership of human beings is inherently evil or wicked. Because owning a human being is placing yourself on level with God Himself, because he made and thus owns Man. But in Westeros at least, the anti-slavery stuff should be kept in place. You can still change the laws to allow slavery in Westeros though, right? Just tie this to that law being passed and it would fit. Wouldn't make too much sense to have slavery but not be able to enslave prisoners. I'd like that if you are Faith of the Seven you have to first basically castrate the Faith to pass such laws. And if there were Centralization laws in the mod (God I wish there were), that you'd need high centralization along with minimal/zero faith power to introduce slavery without huge maluses. |
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Post by widowmaker94 on Jul 8, 2018 2:23:06 GMT
You can still change the laws to allow slavery in Westeros though, right? Just tie this to that law being passed and it would fit. Wouldn't make too much sense to have slavery but not be able to enslave prisoners. Not to mention that this idea falls apart if you manage to convert your realm to worshiping Rhllor or another religion aside from the Seven or the Old Gods. Currently have a Dayne campaign that started in the Bleeding Years. Converted to Rhllor early on. Took Dorne and the Stormlands, which I renamed The Kingdom of Dawn. The majority of the Kingdom is Rhllor at this point. Slavery was already legal in the Stormlands, and since its my primary title, it is legal throughout my realm now. However, I convict subjects of treason, and I am legally allowed to torture them to death, burn them alive etc, but not allowed to enslave them. Sorry, but this makes no sense. R'hllor faith actually seems pretty anti-slavery in its message. And gained widespread appeal among the lower class and slaves for that reason.With it being a central tenet that all men are slaves to R'hllor. I mean, they make use of slavery insofar as it gets them easy happy servants. Since they go out of their way to ransom even the lowest slave that escapes from them and gets captured by slavers. Though this is just conjecture. |
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