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Post by verkos on Jun 10, 2018 1:38:12 GMT
Hi!
Something I have been wondering is why Domeric is listed as younger than Ramsay? I thought Domeric was born in 279 AC and Ramsay in 282 AC, though I could be wrong.
Thanks!
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Post by sourjapes on Jun 10, 2018 9:53:15 GMT
I don't think either of their ages are nailed down anywhere. The wiki just speculates that Domeric was, most likely, born between 279 and 281 and that Ramsay was born in 282 at the latest.
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Post by Toccs on Jun 11, 2018 0:13:44 GMT
There's no way that Ramsay was born in 282, that would make him a teenager like Jon and Dany whereas he's supposed to be in his early 20s similar to Tyrion.
Domeric, as stated by Roose was a contemporary of Lyanna, so he has to have been born much before 279.
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Post by verkos on Jun 12, 2018 19:50:34 GMT
Would that not imply that Domeric is older than Ramsay, as Lyanna is older than Tyrion?
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Post by Toccs on Jun 13, 2018 0:15:18 GMT
Yeah that makes sense.
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Post by sourjapes on Jun 13, 2018 3:29:16 GMT
There's no way that Ramsay was born in 282, that would make him a teenager like Jon and Dany whereas he's supposed to be in his early 20s similar to Tyrion. Domeric, as stated by Roose was a contemporary of Lyanna, so he has to have been born much before 279. "Horses... the boy was mad for horses. Lady Dustin will tell you. Even Lord Rickard's daughter could not out-race him and that one was half a horse herself."
I certainly agree it sounds on first impression that he is saying they actually did race horses, but it just kind of sounds that way. It could also be Roose comparing the two in his imagination as he recalls witnessing both riders at comparative ages. I could tell a story about my father being a great baseball player who hit huge home runs and "even Babe Ruth could not out-hit him". It sounds like my father and Babe Ruth played together, but I'm actually just be imagining how the two would compare because I've witnessed both playing, Ruth being a famous figure and all with lots of recorded footage. He obviously died long before my father was born and I am most likely not older than my dad. Anyway.
Whatever the phrasing, it wouldn't make sense for Domeric to be of an age with Lyanna.
Barbrey is more likely to have been of an age with Lyanna considering she courted Brandon. Domeric later served HER at court for four years as a page. He couldn't have done that if he was born way before 279 because he'd be too old post-war and Barbrey wouldn't have a court of her own before that. Surely Domeric wouldn't serve as a page to female close to him in age for such a length of time and THEN serve three more years squiring in the Vale. Even if you had him born in early 70's and he serves Barbrey as a page at the start of Robert's Rebellion, he'd still be getting home to the Dreadfort in 89 or 90. So there is seven years before he finds out about Ramsay, meets him, and dies? Seems more like a few months would be appropriate for him to be feeling lonely, or a year or so at most. Otherwise after seven years you'd think he'd get over the Redforts and make new friends. As well, Domeric is never said to have actually attained his knighthood, so him being around 16 or 17 and being unblooded would make sense. He showed "great promise in the lists" according to Lord Redfort (via Roose). So was Domeric still an up and coming tourney knight in his late 20's? That's around the time he'd be losing his edge or would already have a decade long career as a successful tourney knight, not developing it.
Roose only ever describes Domeric as a boy, which makes it sound like he was in his early twenties at the absolute oldest. If he was a contemporary with Lyanna then he'd be somewhere around her or Benjen's age at the time of his death, so late 20's or so in '97. Roose is after all only a middle aged man in his 40's, not a senior. "I forbade it, but he was a man grown, and knew better than his father." Sounds like a teenager who knows everything, to me. Not an experienced, adult man, which would be at least around 25 or so or older. Now in the case of Ramsay we only know he isn't a mature man but "a young man" and a year after his birth Lord Rickard was apparently still alive. That's where the '82 comes from since we don't know when precisely in 8282 Lord Rickard went south. It could have been weeks or months into the year, or days. Ramsay is never explicitly stated to be any particular age, so late teens or early twenties I would guess. Personally, I generally make him the same age as Theon since the two characters are linked thematically with Ramsay literally playing the devil on Theon's shoulder. A part of him, really. Plus, Reek and Ramsay's mother whispering to him of his "rights" as the elder child makes more sense to me. |
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