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Post by garrmand on Jun 12, 2019 10:11:20 GMT
Hey all, I've read several comments that claim that after Aegon VI Targaryen (of Essos) wins the Iron Throne (A Feast For Crows bookmark), he is awarded the Blackfyre Valyrian sword by the Golden Company and Illyrio Mopatis approaches him to reveal that he is actually a Blackfyre and gives him an option to rule as a Blackfyre instead of a Targaryen.
So far I have received the Blackfyre sword, but have not been given the option to rule as a Blackfyre. Is changing to House Blackfyre a part of the base mod or do necessarily I need the 'Young Griff The Black Dragon' submod or customizer DLC in order to achieve this?
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Post by Toccs on Jun 12, 2019 11:58:01 GMT
You need the Black Dragon submod for that option.
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Post by garrmand on Jun 12, 2019 14:16:32 GMT
The Black Dragon submod isn't updated for the latest agot version. Several users have claimed that you don't need that mod to play as Aegon Blackfyre I am just trying to verify if anyone has managed to replicate it.
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Post by Balerion on Jun 12, 2019 18:24:27 GMT
The Black Dragon submod isn't updated for the latest agot version. Several users have claimed that you don't need that mod to play as Aegon Blackfyre I am just trying to verify if anyone has managed to replicate it. I somebody made 1.9.1 compatible version of the submod. The guy who originally made the submod isn't active anymore but one of the fans of the submod updated it. |
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Post by soulbourne on Jun 16, 2019 4:28:12 GMT
Declaring yourself a blackfire is kinda odd inherently, since one of the founding principals of the line is that the "True targaryen" line were bastards and usurpers and the blackfyres were the trueborn and legitimate lineage of house targaryen. Would make sense to declare that and essentially give dany the option to either accept her claim as being lost or alternatively denouncing him and opening the path for a civil war to depose the blackfyre, which upon loss would change his dynasty. Interestingly, some questions from around the time of the war of roses apparently linger to this day about the lineage of the monarchs, and claims that the "line" claimed through marriage to solidify his children's line to the throne was in fact a bastard line and not legitimate, which would in turn mean the true heir according to records is some guy in australia. There are other issues this idea ignores, but: www.youtube.com/watch?v=AT_1lErcIoM |
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Post by Karl on Jun 17, 2019 21:35:46 GMT
Declaring yourself a blackfire is kinda odd inherently, since one of the founding principals of the line is that the "True targaryen" line were bastards and usurpers and the blackfyres were the trueborn and legitimate lineage of house targaryen. Would make sense to declare that and essentially give dany the option to either accept her claim as being lost or alternatively denouncing him and opening the path for a civil war to depose the blackfyre, which upon loss would change his dynasty. Unless I've missed something nobody seriously claimed that the main Targaryen line consisted of bastards. Is this something new from Fire & Blood? I haven't finished it yet. Nor did anyone claim that Daemon Blackfyre was trueborn. He was always known as a bastard, but was legitimized by his father Aegon the Unworthy, thus making him legally equal to trueborn children. His claim to the throne rested on the sword Blackfyre, which his father granted to him. Because Blackfyre was Aegon the Conqueror's sword Daemon and his followers claimed that the grant of the sword also symbolized the grant of "heirship" to the crown. Daeron the Good (who was trueborn) was the first-born son, and thus heir by primogeniture. Another factor was that Daemon was physically fit and a great warrior, while Daeron was weak and chubby, and the martial culture of Westeros valued warrior kings. |
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Post by Paxter Redwyne on Jun 17, 2019 22:24:10 GMT
Declaring yourself a blackfire is kinda odd inherently, since one of the founding principals of the line is that the "True targaryen" line were bastards and usurpers and the blackfyres were the trueborn and legitimate lineage of house targaryen. Would make sense to declare that and essentially give dany the option to either accept her claim as being lost or alternatively denouncing him and opening the path for a civil war to depose the blackfyre, which upon loss would change his dynasty. Unless I've missed something nobody seriously claimed that the main Targaryen line consisted of bastards. Is this something new from Fire & Blood? I haven't finished it yet. Nor did anyone claim that Daemon Blackfyre was trueborn. He was always known as a bastard, but was legitimized by his father Aegon the Unworthy, thus making him legally equal to trueborn children. His claim to the throne rested on the sword Blackfyre, which his father granted to him. Because Blackfyre was Aegon the Conqueror's sword Daemon and his followers claimed that the grant of the sword also symbolized the grant of "heirship" to the crown. Daeron the Good (who was trueborn) was the first-born son, and thus heir by primogeniture. Another factor was that Daemon was physically fit and a great warrior, while Daeron was weak and chubby, and the martial culture of Westeros valued warrior kings. Daemon Blackfyre claimed that Daeron was in fact not a son of Aegon IV, but a bastard of Aemon Dragonknight, and thus a false king. |
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Post by Karl on Jun 18, 2019 2:50:10 GMT
Unless I've missed something nobody seriously claimed that the main Targaryen line consisted of bastards. Is this something new from Fire & Blood? I haven't finished it yet. Nor did anyone claim that Daemon Blackfyre was trueborn. He was always known as a bastard, but was legitimized by his father Aegon the Unworthy, thus making him legally equal to trueborn children. His claim to the throne rested on the sword Blackfyre, which his father granted to him. Because Blackfyre was Aegon the Conqueror's sword Daemon and his followers claimed that the grant of the sword also symbolized the grant of "heirship" to the crown. Daeron the Good (who was trueborn) was the first-born son, and thus heir by primogeniture. Another factor was that Daemon was physically fit and a great warrior, while Daeron was weak and chubby, and the martial culture of Westeros valued warrior kings. Daemon Blackfyre claimed that Daeron was in fact not a son of Aegon IV, but a bastard of Aemon Dragonknight, and thus a false king. Wasn't it Ser Morgil Hastwyck who claimed that? |
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Post by soulbourne on Jun 18, 2019 7:44:55 GMT
He was legitimized as said, making him equal to a trueborn, if not inherently one, while there were claims that other people are far more suited to debate that the "Sons" were a joffrey baratheon and co situation of being born of a kingsguard and brother. Though targaryens having their brothers give children was far less concern than A: The kingsguard and B: The fact it was not a direct descendant of the sitting king. Although one could argue genetically it was a true targaryen but marriage law favors immediate family over pureblood claimaints.
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Post by Paxter Redwyne on Jun 18, 2019 10:17:40 GMT
Daemon Blackfyre claimed that Daeron was in fact not a son of Aegon IV, but a bastard of Aemon Dragonknight, and thus a false king. Wasn't it Ser Morgil Hastwyck who claimed that? Aegon IV disliked his son and tried to find a way to get rid of him. He was the one who started those rumors and Morgil was likely working on his orders. After Aegon IV death, Daemon Blackfyre and his supporters took up this claim to strengthen Daemon's reason for rebellion. Eustace Osgrey, who fought for Daemon himself have believed that Daeron was a bastard. |
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Post by Karl on Jun 18, 2019 13:22:06 GMT
So you're saying that Ser Morgil was running the king's errands, only to get killed by a Kingsguard? Seems a bit unfair, heh.  |
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Post by madgreenson on Jun 20, 2019 14:35:00 GMT
Wasn't it Ser Morgil Hastwyck who claimed that? Aegon IV disliked his son and tried to find a way to get rid of him. He was the one who started those rumors and Morgil was likely working on his orders. After Aegon IV death, Daemon Blackfyre and his supporters took up this claim to strengthen Daemon's reason for rebellion. Eustace Osgrey, who fought for Daemon himself have believed that Daeron was a bastard. Yep. The Blackfyre Rebellions were Aegon IV's spiteful "gift" to the Seven Kingdoms, set up before he died and delivered afterwards by ambitious men and Daeron's policy of Dornish appeasement. Between Daeron's ability to piss off large sections of the kingdom by cavorting with the Dornish and the anger of the lords and Bittersteel's ambitions they managed to carry out the dead king's will with gusto. Every single time the Blackfyre banner got raised, you just know Aegon IV was laughing from hell over it. Was Daeron a bastard? I guarantee you that Aegon the Unworthy didn't care even if he knew. The rumor was a useful tool to stir the pot regardless of validity. Honestly, I kind of doubt it. It would have been more spicy and enjoyable for Aegon IV to cast doubt and disfavor on a legitimate heir than an actual bastard and he would have reaped marvelous amounts of schadenfreude from setting up the kingdoms to wage war against the legitimate heir in favor of a well known bastard. Legitimizing the Great Bastards on his deathbed was just the final ingredient of this schadenfreude stew. Because Aegon the Unworthy was exactly the kind of spiteful jackass who wouldn't want his kingdom to survive his death if he could avoid it and he certainly tried his best to undermine it before he died. |
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Post by Paxter Redwyne on Jun 20, 2019 16:17:15 GMT
So you're saying that Ser Morgil was running the king's errands, only to get killed by a Kingsguard? Seems a bit unfair, heh. I am not sure if you've read World of Ice and Fire and Dunk and Egg novels, but it was rather clearly stated that Aegon IV hated his siblings and tried to get rid of them. |
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