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Post by Visi on May 21, 2019 20:38:44 GMT
I'm wondering if anyone has added something like this into the mod themselves or if there is a submod that already exists? I tried searching but I couldn't find anything. Lots of different files mention "Kingsguard" and I'm not 100% sure on how I would go about creating a similar institution for the empire of New Valyria myself and have everything function properly.
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Post by yogsogoth on May 21, 2019 21:12:38 GMT
The closest thing there is the bodyguard system. There's nothing like the Kingsguard that you can use, I don't think.
For what it's worth, the Kingsguard only makes sense in an Andal-Westerosi cultural context in the first place. Vows of celibacy, holy number 7, sworn for life; those are all things that don't have parallels elswhere, especially not in New Valyria.
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Post by Visi on May 22, 2019 3:27:15 GMT
I don't see how it doesn't make sense. Just because a similar organization doesn't exist elsewhere doesn't mean it isn't lore-friendly to allow for such a thing to be formed in an empire that doesn't even exist. You could very easily make an argument for a ruler of a New Valyrian empire looking at this institution in Westeros and seeing the value of it, and deciding to create something similar (but not identical) to the Iron Throne's Kingsguard for themselves.
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Post by Azrael on May 22, 2019 5:20:57 GMT
SinStar87 made the Collinsguard, or Form a Guard submod that is sort of like the Kingsguard for anyone of Empire tier. You can get it here if interested: Form a Guard |
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Post by silverberg42 on May 22, 2019 8:55:48 GMT
The closest thing there is the bodyguard system. There's nothing like the Kingsguard that you can use, I don't think. For what it's worth, the Kingsguard only makes sense in an Andal-Westerosi cultural context in the first place. Vows of celibacy, holy number 7, sworn for life; those are all things that don't have parallels elswhere, especially not in New Valyria. But what about kingdom of Andalos? If I restore kingdom of Andalos, kingsguard maybe became actual for this region |
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Post by Azrael on May 22, 2019 9:52:03 GMT
The closest thing there is the bodyguard system. There's nothing like the Kingsguard that you can use, I don't think. For what it's worth, the Kingsguard only makes sense in an Andal-Westerosi cultural context in the first place. Vows of celibacy, holy number 7, sworn for life; those are all things that don't have parallels elswhere, especially not in New Valyria. But what about kingdom of Andalos? If I restore kingdom of Andalos, kingsguard maybe became actual for this region The Kingsguard is for the holder of the Iron Throne title. |
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Post by soulbourne on May 23, 2019 1:02:07 GMT
Royal Guard makes sense and seems that the form a guard works out. The seven bit is definitely more religiously tied, but life long oaths, swearing off women and drink, and other things aren't uncommon among some elites in various ways. For instance, having no marriage for a royal guard and forbidden random intercourse but providing an official group of "State approved" courtesans for said guard that could be monitored and would exist within the organization and thus not risk being a comprimising force is something. Limiting or forbidding mind altering substances such as alcohol is generally just seen as a sacrifice for the duty. Offering your life is a sign of devotion to your duties, and essentially offering your life at the time of oath until death, and demonstrating that you accept execution without trial for any impropriety or desertion of duty.
However, historically such elite forces were uncommon in the christian world I will admit. Sometimes you had odd groups in muslim regions pop up, and in antiquity a lot of regions had odd traditions with some of their elite guards[if you believe everything you read anyways].
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Post by Vatonage on May 23, 2019 1:21:55 GMT
I think the mechanics for the Kingsguard would need to be expanded and standardized before you can be allowed to establish similar organizations (only for Empire-tier titles of course). Things such as manually assigning royal guards to family members, having royal guards act as commanders, more events involving them stopping plots, corrupt guards becoming complicit in plots, perhaps even overthrowing you a la Lord Commander Criston Cole, and lastly being able to retire guards that are too infirm or simply martially incapable to retain their position. Basically, it'd be a balancing act, where you'd try to maximize loyalty and combat prowess so that you don't get yourself assassinated, while minimizing incompetence and disloyalty so you don't get stabbed in the back, and also appointing sons of major lords to placate angry houses.
But, until such an update occurs, two mods somewhat cover it. Collinsguard allows the establishment of royal guards for Empire-tier titles, whereas Knights of the Sword Tower includes extra events and mechanics for the Kingsguard, including fame and infamy, a detailed White Book, Kingsguard quests, etc.
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Post by Visi on May 23, 2019 19:50:39 GMT
SinStar87 made the Collinsguard, or Form a Guard submod that is sort of like the Kingsguard for anyone of Empire tier. You can get it here if interested: Form a GuardI think the mechanics for the Kingsguard would need to be expanded and standardized before you can be allowed to establish similar organizations (only for Empire-tier titles of course). Things such as manually assigning royal guards to family members, having royal guards act as commanders, more events involving them stopping plots, corrupt guards becoming complicit in plots, perhaps even overthrowing you a la Lord Commander Criston Cole, and lastly being able to retire guards that are too infirm or simply martially incapable to retain their position. Basically, it'd be a balancing act, where you'd try to maximize loyalty and combat prowess so that you don't get yourself assassinated, while minimizing incompetence and disloyalty so you don't get stabbed in the back, and also appointing sons of major lords to placate angry houses. But, until such an update occurs, two mods somewhat cover it. Collinsguard allows the establishment of royal guards for Empire-tier titles, whereas Knights of the Sword Tower includes extra events and mechanics for the Kingsguard, including fame and infamy, a detailed White Book, Kingsguard quests, etc. Thank you both for your answers. I'll look into those mods. |
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