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ureel
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nobody into targarien May 14, 2019 22:37:59 GMT

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Post by ureel on May 14, 2019 22:37:59 GMT

Hi there!

Started playing as the king of the Stormlands during Aegon conquest.

How can i transform into high valyrian with targaryen bloodline?

(picking targaryen to play as is cheating)

(turning OFF high valyrian culling is also cheating)

(using console, is a nono)

Edit: I already did it and in post 3, same thread, there is my guide on how to do it.

I know about 2 ways of getting high valyrian culture:

1) Bastard:

Inviting h val ladies into my court and seducing them.

Pretty quickly i realized that culture of all bastards is changing to westerosi valyrian.

Figured a workaroud that works only with boys - if they are h val at birth, i acknowledge them

but dont legitimize yet, give them land instantly. This way they stay high valyrian

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If its daughter you cant give them land and she turns west val very fast.

2) By Marrying high valyrian lady:

I married a targaryen patrilinealy(me a guy), our child was a stormlander.

As such its not of valyrian culture group, meaning guardian can teach it his own culture.

Picked other targaryen as guardian, and got lucky when he succeded.

At that point i have high valyrian culture, but very fast i realized that even

if both me and my wife are high valyrians, the child still turns western!

(unless i give a land to the child again, which is annoying)

And i found info that only targaryen bloodline can stay high valyrian without problems.

stealing targaryen bloodline:

Having a daughter, or any non-married female that is under my control(can switch to her).

Kidnapping targaryen non-married male, forcing marriage with my lady^ which makes it

matrilineal marriage. Which means children inherit targarien bloodline from the male.

(and immortal bloodline from my daughter if she has it)

Problem is they also inherit a culture from mother, which is westerosi valyrian.

So if i marry my heir matrilineally with the child^ i will end up playing targaryens that are westerosi.

So im asking for tips on how to steal the bloodline and keep high valyrian culture. Help pls!

(or if there is an event that changes westerosi to high valyrian if you are of targaryen bloodline)

PS: Wait... i think i figured out an answer to my own question.

option when starting:

Starting as the Lady Paramount, kidnapping of targaryen guy, forced marriage,

child has his bloodline but is probably a stormlander(cuz matrilineal), setting high valyrian guardian

and letting him convert culture, getting lucky.

option when already playing:

100 years passed and most of my house is either h val males or westerosi valyrians.

But there is one, 31 y old stormlander female.

So i guess i have to force-marry a targaryen guy with her and then kill everyone who inherits before her,

choose guardian, culture conversion, and gg

Does anyone have some useful info, tip or anything that can make it more efficient?

Last Edit: May 17, 2019 17:17:22 GMT by ureel: added info about guide in post 3 so people may skip reading about my unsuccessful attempts

hnrqb1
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nobody into targarien May 15, 2019 17:17:18 GMT

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Post by hnrqb1 on May 15, 2019 17:17:18 GMT

Are you sure having a legitimate child as a high valyrian Baratheon turns them westerosi? The valyrian cull should only affect lowborn carachters, so if you legitimize your high val son you may not even need to give him land. But if highborn sons are turning to westerosi maybe it's related to Baratheons, the Qohery family of Harrenhal has both the original heirs turned to westerosi, but if the father has more sons they will be high valyrian, and I don't think there would be any problems maintaining the culture henceforth.

Also you should remember both the Velaryons of Driftmark and Celtigars of Claw Isle are also High Valyrian, at least by conquest, maybe in later bookmarks the Celtigars become westerosi, I don't remember.

ureel
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nobody into targarien May 15, 2019 18:56:43 GMT

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Post by ureel on May 15, 2019 18:56:43 GMT

Yep, i think even legitimate children were turning westerosi but not sure if i was cuckolded because i deleted everything and started a new game. When i was testing using console i was instantly getting "Blood of The Dragon" bloodline and with it all children were proper high vals.

During my original game though, i didnt have this bloodline.

~~EDITED(did some research and testing):

Ok i managed to change my daughter(genius!!!) into high valyrian culture(!) + even valyrian faith(!). Getting targarien bloodline is easy now.

The key is requirements of the "Heritage focus".

I was usually picking a guardian of high valyrian culture who is in my court when child was 0 y old.

And then right clicked on my child and clicked Focus on Heritage(why is it even available if it doesnt work). Clicking it is a mistake(probably).

It never worked for me, and even if it can work(didnt for me) its not optimal if guardian does not have important traits that are increasing the chance of successful conversion of culture/religion, these are: zealous + diligent. Also guardian cant have cynical and slothful!

Here is how to actually do it correctly(BECOME TARGARIEN):

assumptions: playing non-valyrian-like-culture, valyrian culling is on, no cheating with console(except maybe loading a game if unlucky)

marry a high valyrian(not necessarily a targarien) and make sure that children are gonna be of your dynasty.
- tip: force marriage can be useful if they dont want to agree the nice way//also watchout for high valyrian ladies switching to other cultures at the first ~3 months of the game, its better to marry after 3 months just to be sure.
make a DAUGHTER(it must be a daughter - i know, usually u want a boy, not here though - because only using matrilineal marriage you can steal patrilineal bloodline: targaryen)
- tip: when you have a daughter its recommended to imprison your wife somehow so she wont birth more children which could cause headaches later on.
got a non-valyrian daughter who has a high valyrian parent, great, now DONT PICK FOCUS and wait till the daughter is 6 years old.
- tip: during this time i dont know if child is being influenced by educator(court tutor in minor titles), it may help choosing a high valyrian one but i doubt it helps at all.
when kiddo is 6 years old, find a lord/ruler who has a high valyrian culture(during aegon conquest, there should be like one or two you can find when asking aegon for guardianship). I personally had her stay at Lord Daemon of Driftmark court, if im not mistaken. Make him, or anyone of his family a guardian of hers. Main point is that your daughter must leave your court and must be at the court of the guy who is high valyrian. So as long as kiddo stays there, its fine if the guardian is a family member of the Lord Daemon and not him in person.
- tip: if guardian has zealous + diligent, and does not have cynical and slothful, daughter has higher chance of conversion.
- tip2: your vassals will get -10 relations with you for heir being a daughter and additional -10 for her being educated with different culture, so you should probably pay them to shut them up.
after some time the guardian should ask if you would like your child to be shown the way of the high valyrians, but to not waste time, you should now click on child(daughter) focus and choose Heritage.
get lucky with your daughter switching to high valyrian culture (OPTIONAL ->) then find someone diligent+zealous, without slothful+cynical who is of VALYRIAN RELIGION, and his employer must be of this religion OR(i did it this way) who is in the region of Valyrian religion. In my playthrough it was a valyrian religion woman from Anogaria region. The new guardian does not have to be high valyrian, meaning any culture will do, it shouldnt change back anyway unless you pick a guardian who has same culture as your daughter had before conversion.
get lucky with religion conversion before daughter reaches age of 12.
set a betrothal between your daughter and a boy of TARGARYEN BLOODLINE, specifically: MATRILINEALLY.
tip: he may be more willing when forced after being imprisoned/kidnapped.
tip2: doing it nice way may work only with targaryen who has the same religion as your main character, if u have different he wont ever accept, even if your daughter has the same as him.
tip3: if you make a bethrothal the nice way, targaryens often break it because they have claims and think too much of themselves... so forcing them is so much better.
Years later, your daughters offspring should be the proper Targaryens.

Last Edit: May 17, 2019 17:25:04 GMT by ureel: formating text