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Post by mrlovemaker on Nov 8, 2018 6:42:41 GMT
Has this ever happened to you? Timmy son of Timmeh: "I can has castle pls?"
You: "Uh sorry lil dude I don't really like you, plus you're like my grandma's aunt's cousin's nephew. Also I really worked hard to earn this expensive castle. Timmy son of Timmeh: "Give me the ******* fief or i'll label you a tyrant, and somehow you won't be able to righteously banish me, or imprison me tee hee.You IRL: " ¿¿¿¿ how does that even make a lick of sense, I have only two castles, and yet this little snot who I owe nothing to is practically forcing me to give him it?" That's where i come in. Hi i'm here with oxyclean flexseal a brand spankin' new edit to a fairly old conundrum! What does it do? Version 1 (More relaxed with realism): No character requirements, 5 gold to tell your begging relative to "fuck off" Version 2 (slightly more realistic): Requires 10 diplomacy, chance of losing family or kind traits/gaining greedy or cruel. no gold required.
Both versions effectively allow you to rebuke your idiotic relatives who are looking for a handout in land/titles.SO! If you find yourself in this conundrum with my sub-mod on, it'll look a little something like this Download link(s): (Version 1)
(Version 2) If someone wants to use this, or the idea of this, they have my full permission. |
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Post by sourjapes on Nov 13, 2018 2:35:57 GMT
I like this idea, but I'm not sure if I'm just allowing myself to cheat if I use it. I must ponder this.
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Post by mrlovemaker on Nov 13, 2018 10:03:23 GMT
I like this idea, but I'm not sure if I'm just allowing myself to cheat if I use it. I must ponder this. Suggestions are always welcome, since it's a release version obviously it's not incredibly balanced. So far your relatives will still hate you if you refuse them -15 opinion of you, and you're losing 5 gold to distract them every time . Maybe it should have a chance of giving greedy/lose honorable/lose family person, or increase the gold cost? Would be interested in hearing your thoughts on this. |
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Post by sourjapes on Nov 14, 2018 2:47:36 GMT
I like this idea, but I'm not sure if I'm just allowing myself to cheat if I use it. I must ponder this. Suggestions are always welcome, since it's a release version obviously it's not incredibly balanced. So far your relatives will still hate you if you refuse them -15 opinion of you, and you're losing 5 gold to distract them every time . Maybe it should have a chance of giving greedy/lose honorable/lose family person, or increase the gold cost? Would be interested in hearing your thoughts on this. Maybe if you refuse then rather than gaining tyranny you would instead gain an opinion malus for every member of your dynasty? (perhaps with the exception of your heir, who should be mad if you DO give up a title) |
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Post by soulbourne on Nov 17, 2018 8:01:35 GMT
As for the sense: I imagine it goes back to the dev teams belief that while you could use castellans or the like to govern over spare fiefs and castles, they cite the fact that there aren't really many instances of powerful people doing this instead of passing it off to a relative(Think they normally cite robert in this?) Generally given the rather chaotic nature of the game of thrones verse at times, for westeros at least it makes some sense that giving someone a slip of paper that allows them complete control over a fortified position "In your name" would inevitably lead to a tendency for said representatives to eventually decide "I've got a castle, I've got the local soldiers liking me, I've yet to send this years taxes in, and my lord's men are wearied from being called to arms. Seems like I now own a castle."
However, I do agree that the tyranny cost is a bit much whatever the justification, and having alternative punishments like you present here makes more sense. Especially if you have a bigger family and the relatives start chaining demands.
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Post by rufff1 on Nov 17, 2018 19:49:35 GMT
Its a shame you can't do a military command temporarily then change it back to a normal hereditary holding to reward someone - Historically kings and rulers tended not to give away power on a hereditary basis as that divided their patrimony and undermined their power, but in the medieval (and even later) world you couldn't administer everything you ruled so you delegated and appointed a castellan of a castle, or a lord marshal of your armies, or a steward of your household but then you'd have a weak king and suddenly the castellan/marshall/steward position was passed from father to son and a few years later it was a fully hereditary position ,
Examples of this: the earl marshall (nominal chief general) of England becoming a hereditary position by the time of William the Marshall in reign of King John, the Stuarts of Scotland becoming hereditary Stewards of the Court under the Bruce Kings (they'd leverage it into succeeding them as Kings), the Khedive of Egypt going from being an administrator of Egypt for the Ottoman Sultan to being a de facto independant ruler who paid only nominal loyalty to the Ottomans.
I mean the Gates of the Moon was held as a castellanship for thousands of years, the Wolf's Den appears to have oscillated between being a temporary command under Flints, Lockes, Slates and Harclays, to becoming more hereditary under some Flints and SLates and the Greystarks, building on this, early in GOT Bran thinks about how he would probably wind up running a holdfast on behalf of Rob but wasn't thinking it would be a hereditary position that he would use to set up a cadet branch.
It would be far more true to the medieval world that GRRM created if you could award any holding as a military command (like you can with vice-royalties in vanilla) so you can revoke without tyranny and you get it back when they die, but then if you have a weak king or someone gets a high faction support they can put a demand to the king/duke/whoever gave them the castle that "You recognise my son as heir to the lands that I hold in your name as a reward for my service" or whatever and the holding suddenly becomes hereditary
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