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Post by welow on May 25, 2020 7:19:49 GMT
So, i've been having the situation that some lordships of westeros , primarily Highlordship of wolfswood and surrounding provinces in sunspear, have the title expressed as castle of wolfswood, castle of (forgot the name) etc . at the moment the only highlordship i've seen wrongly named is wolfswood and the others have only been count level. I don't know if this is a mistake in general or i have been messing too much with the files. I have ck2 3.3 and agot 2.1
If someone could clarify me if they have the same issue or not please do so. In general the bug-glitch-mistake, hasn't been a problem with gameplay functionality. Thanks for your attention!
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Post by adelhaldane on May 25, 2020 11:07:32 GMT
If i've understood your question correctly, it's because House Glover are not full lords so their seat takes a lower rank name. like Rainwood (Seaworth) in the Stormlands, New Barrell ('Green Apple' Fossoway) in the Reach, Cleganes keep (Clegane) and Cornfield (Swyft) in the Westerlands, Ninestars (Templeton) in the Vale, Spottswood (Santagar), Lemonwood (Dalt) and High Hermitage (Dayne) in Dorne. They are not full lords so the title of the county is "Castle of..." rather than "Lordship of...". and the occupant receives the tile "Ser of...." eg. Ser of Cleganes Keep if they are in the south, but in the North since they are not knights they are called Masters. So Glovers are Masters of Deepwood Motte, not Lords. Not until they get the High Lordship of the Wolfswood.
if anything the fix should be to rename the title "Knight of..." in the south rather than "Ser of..."
As for the Wolfswood, it's strange that everybody in the duchy outranks the Glovers. The Glovers are a Masterly house, yet their vassals in the Wolfswood duchy are full lords, despite them being describes as little more than clans by Asha Greyjoy.
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Post by Naathi Adventurer on May 25, 2020 12:18:22 GMT
Welcome to the forum.
It takes a special dedicated effort for this to happen. Specifically, there has to be a "name_tier" set in the landed titles for the corresponding duchy or county (See example at the end of this message). Thus, I believe it's most likely a design choice based on lore rather than a bug.
Cheers
d_wolfswood = {
color={ 217 216 236 }
color2={ 255 255 255 }
capital = 35 #Deepwood
name_tier=baron
allow = {
OR = {
custom_tooltip = {
text = TOOLTIPhl_creation_requirement
hidden_tooltip = { any_demesne_province = { duchy = { title = FROM } } }
}
has_game_rule = { name = hl_creation_requirement value = off }
}
}
c_deepwood = {
color={ 42 42 42 }
color2={ 255 255 255 }
name_tier=baron
b_deepwoodmotte = {
}
b_frostypoint = {
}
b_shadythicket = {
}
b_wulfhall = {
}
}
c_blackgrove = { # Ironrath
color={ 171 171 171 }
color2={ 255 255 255 }
b_blackgrove = {
}
b_copsetor = {
}
}
c_kingsgrove = {
color={ 175 175 175 }
color2={ 255 255 255 }
b_tumbledown_tower = {
}
b_brierscroft = {
}
b_harclayhall = {
}
}
c_wolfswood = {
color={ 178 178 178 }
color2={ 255 255 255 }
b_forestrefuge = {
}
b_croftersclearing = {
}
b_wolfwoodhide = {
}
}
c_acorngrove = {
color={ 181 181 181 }
color2={ 255 255 255 }
b_grovefort = {
}
b_weirskags = {
}
}
}
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Post by welow on May 25, 2020 22:36:25 GMT
Thanks to all for your responses, you're too kind. It's so nice to see a community with this kind of feedback :').
Now in regards to the issue, i have now seen my ignorance about it. I do know that the Glovers are somewhat of an upjumped house and i believe now that it is a nice design detail to show that by adding a different name to their titles. Perhaps, in my humble opinion, my only reservation about it is that while i support these type of alterations, it is not as impactful in-game and it does not sound nice in the sense that the castle of Wolfswood is a title that holds underneath vassals and provinces, with the titles called lorships. So it seems a bit underwhelming for it to be named just Castle when it truly has weight and influence over the politics in the North.
Let me explain further, when we see the Glovers in the books and series they are called and referred to as lords, thus implying not a different de-jure status among the nobles of the north, but we do see that they are not treated as equals by their peers (the Umbers being disdainful towards them). So it would seem to me, a better arrangement to it would be to give the Glovers and low-born lords an opinion penalty instead of different names to their titles. One way to implement for newer houses would be in the "raise to nobility" button and add the penalty there too.
Pd: i know that the Glovers were not the house insulted by the Greatjon in the first book so i don't know if their position as lesser lords is canon or not.
Nevertheless, i'm extremely grateful that you took the time to answer to my inquiring and i hope all who are reading this are in good health and spirit in these troubled times, best wishes and love to everyone <3
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