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Post by thespouseofthesun on Aug 9, 2019 1:10:24 GMT
I love the More Bloodlines mod but I want to make something for myself that's a lot simpler. I want to buff the base game's bloodlines a little bit and give most every noble house a traditional dynastic claim on their ancestral seat. I also want to make a few bloodlines for cadet dynasties that I find particularly interesting.
How do I go about giving a bloodline a traditional dynastic claim and does anyone have any general advice for bloodline modding?
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Nervosi
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Post by Nervosi on Aug 9, 2019 5:32:53 GMT
I think you'd have better luck personally talking to Ruff about this.
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erbkaiser
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Post by erbkaiser on Aug 9, 2019 6:22:27 GMT
Bloodlines are defined in common\bloodlines Inside that file you can give it some basic commands like opinion modifiers, if you want to give it more effects you're going to have to use triggers (based on bloodline name or flags) or events. Traditional claims are done that way, when you have the Stark bloodline, for example, it will always give you the claim to c_winterfell etc.
And you give bloodlines to houses by giving it to the first person that should have it -- in the case of a dynastic bloodline, typically the dynasty founder. Automatically all eligible heirs will get the same bloodline. In the AGOT mod there are some additional events that hand out bloodlines to certain people (it's how Jon Snow gets the Stark bloodline, which he should not have as he is a bastard), but for a normal bloodline you don't need to do that.
The More Bloodlines mod just gives it to founders, and in some cases has added ancestors to link dynasties together to make sure everyone gets the bloodline (like with the blood of the Grey King or Ghazdan the Great, which ends up in multiple dynasties through non-canon links).
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Post by thespouseofthesun on Aug 9, 2019 18:13:02 GMT
Thanks for the advice! RE Nervosi: I've DM'd ruff. That was a good idea. RE erbkaiser: What I'm curious about is how do I define those dynastic claims? I see in the 00_bloodlines file where it says dynastic_claim_[title] but where (and how) do I define that flag? Let's say I want to give the Boltons a blooodline that grants them a traditional claim on the Dreadfort... do I just put flags: dynastic_claim_e_dreadfort or do I have to go and define what that string specifically means somewhere? I can't find where I'd do that but I also could've sworn I've seen something like that poking around in the game files before. Thanks, again.
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erbkaiser
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Post by erbkaiser on Aug 9, 2019 19:31:40 GMT
You just put the flag in the bloodline as well as the flag dynastic_bloodline!
Look at events\traditional_dynastic_claims_events.txt
It checks for dynastic_claim_@FROM / dynastic_claim_@PREV etc. -- the @from part is basically a wildcard which checks for the title. So as long as you have it setup correctly, for the Boltons that would be dynastic_claim_d_dreadfort (not e_dreadfort: it has to correspond to the exact title), it will hand out the claims.
So for the Boltons you want to do something like this in common\bloodlines:
bolton = { monthly_character_prestige = 0.25 bloodline_effect_traditional_claim = 1 inheritance = patrilineal allow_bastards = no picture = GFX_bloodline_bolton flags = { bolton dynastic_bloodline dynastic_claim_k_dreadfortTK dynastic_claim_d_dreadfort dynastic_claim_c_dreadfort } }
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Post by thespouseofthesun on Aug 9, 2019 20:05:07 GMT
Thank you so much. It'll take a while but I'll be able to get something going with this. I really appreciate it.
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Post by epicmarkvan on Aug 17, 2019 19:15:29 GMT
In the AGOT mod there are some additional events that hand out bloodlines to certain people (it's how Jon Snow gets the Stark bloodline, which he should not have as he is a bastard), but for a normal bloodline you don't need to do that. I know this is a bit of a necro of an old thread, but I was wondering how you do this? I've searched the event files myself and can't seem to find it. I really want to give my cadet dynasty the Targaryen and Stark bloodlines but those can't be inherited by bastards.
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Post by rufff1 on Aug 17, 2019 20:21:17 GMT
In the AGOT mod there are some additional events that hand out bloodlines to certain people (it's how Jon Snow gets the Stark bloodline, which he should not have as he is a bastard), but for a normal bloodline you don't need to do that. I know this is a bit of a necro of an old thread, but I was wondering how you do this? I've searched the event files myself and can't seem to find it. I really want to give my cadet dynasty the Targaryen and Stark bloodlines but those can't be inherited by bastards. Easier just to change the entry in the bloodline file to allow bastards tbh
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Post by epicmarkvan on Aug 17, 2019 20:45:32 GMT
I know this is a bit of a necro of an old thread, but I was wondering how you do this? I've searched the event files myself and can't seem to find it. I really want to give my cadet dynasty the Targaryen and Stark bloodlines but those can't be inherited by bastards. Easier just to change the entry in the bloodline file to allow bastards tbh I’d rather a separate event so I don’t have to update it every time the main mod updates, plus that means everyone and their mother who is descended from Targs will get it and I want it to just be mine.
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Post by rufff1 on Aug 17, 2019 21:07:06 GMT
Easier just to change the entry in the bloodline file to allow bastards tbh I’d rather a separate event so I don’t have to update it every time the main mod updates, plus that means everyone and their mother who is descended from Targs will get it and I want it to just be mine. 1. It’ll be a super finicky event and unless you’re talking about just the 4 official cadets of each house it’s basically impossible (you’d have to specify either the parent charid or the dynasty ID in the event itself which is fine if the character is one of those 4 dynasties or has a parent who is in the history files but if it’s the child of a character who is born in a play through or if the dynasty is an autogened one that happens when a bastard has kids/ gets land it’s impossible - you might be able to do this with a mission target but honestly the easier option is changing 2 lines in the bloodlines file rather than writing the world’s most complicated trigger 2. No because the Targaryen bloodline is patrilineal, ie even if you allow bastards to get it is only people descended in the direct male line from the targaryens or through a matrilineal marriage, which is basically just the targaryens and the great bastards (with the mod having a separate event to remove the Blackfyres from the bloodline), if you look at the More Bloodlines submod you will see that even though the targaryen bloodlines allow bastards to pass them on the only people with those bloodlines are Targaryen because the bloodline remains patrilineal
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Post by epicmarkvan on Aug 17, 2019 21:37:46 GMT
1. It’ll be a super finicky event and unless you’re talking about just the 4 official cadets of each house it’s basically impossible (you’d have to specify either the parent charid or the dynasty ID in the event itself which is fine if the character is one of those 4 dynasties or has a parent who is in the history files but if it’s the child of a character who is born in a play through or if the dynasty is an autogened one that happens when a bastard has kids/ gets land it’s impossible - you might be able to do this with a mission target but honestly the easier option is changing 2 lines in the bloodlines file rather than writing the world’s most complicated trigger 2. No because the Targaryen bloodline is patrilineal, ie even if you allow bastards to get it is only people descended in the direct male line from the targaryens or through a matrilineal marriage, which is basically just the targaryens and the great bastards (with the mod having a separate event to remove the Blackfyres from the bloodline), if you look at the More Bloodlines submod you will see that even though the targaryen bloodlines allow bastards to pass them on the only people with those bloodlines are Targaryen because the bloodline remains patrilineal I have my own custom sub mod with my own house so it won’t be randomly generated. I didn’t literally mean mother’s btw I just meant a lot of people would have it. Anyways I don’t mean to be obtuse but I have this whole custom dynasty and headcanon for them. I’ll also have to do that for the Starks if I do it cause they’re descended from them and that’s via mother so it’d complicate it.
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Post by rufff1 on Aug 17, 2019 22:01:51 GMT
1. It’ll be a super finicky event and unless you’re talking about just the 4 official cadets of each house it’s basically impossible (you’d have to specify either the parent charid or the dynasty ID in the event itself which is fine if the character is one of those 4 dynasties or has a parent who is in the history files but if it’s the child of a character who is born in a play through or if the dynasty is an autogened one that happens when a bastard has kids/ gets land it’s impossible - you might be able to do this with a mission target but honestly the easier option is changing 2 lines in the bloodlines file rather than writing the world’s most complicated trigger 2. No because the Targaryen bloodline is patrilineal, ie even if you allow bastards to get it is only people descended in the direct male line from the targaryens or through a matrilineal marriage, which is basically just the targaryens and the great bastards (with the mod having a separate event to remove the Blackfyres from the bloodline), if you look at the More Bloodlines submod you will see that even though the targaryen bloodlines allow bastards to pass them on the only people with those bloodlines are Targaryen because the bloodline remains patrilineal I have my own custom sub mod with my own house so it won’t be randomly generated. I didn’t literally mean mother’s btw I just meant a lot of people would have it. Anyways I don’t mean to be obtuse but I have this whole custom dynasty and headcanon for them. I’ll also have to do that for the Starks if I do it cause they’re descended from them and that’s via mother so it’d complicate it. Do they exist from game start?
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Post by epicmarkvan on Aug 18, 2019 3:36:19 GMT
Do they exist from game start? Yes, they’re in custom history files. Unless you mean from the earliest bookmark, which is no.
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Post by erbkaiser on Aug 18, 2019 9:40:21 GMT
You can edit their history entry and add this to the birth:
8000.1.1 = { birth = yes effect = { add_to_bloodline = stark } }
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Post by epicmarkvan on Aug 18, 2019 10:00:14 GMT
You can edit their history entry and add this to the birth: 8000.1.1 = { birth = yes effect = { add_to_bloodline = stark } } Will their kids inherit so on after this?
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