More Bloodlines Submod - v3.0 Now Out (AGOT 2.2 compatible)

So the bastards will be able to ask for legitimisation same as other cadet houses, and the Baratheons can legitimise them if the dynasty is getting low (but that can only happen if the main Baratheon line is basically extinct right? I don't normally see the Karstarks become full Starks for example) I will also give them and their descendants (and Edric) the option to either legitimise themselves or stay true to the cadet dynasty if they either hold the Iron Throne, the Stormlands, or Storms End - the AI will choose to legitimise, but if you're playing as them you can refuse and the character will be flagged so the event won't refire. I get where you're coming from but I'm sure then someone else would get annoyed that they couldn't make Gendry a true Baratheon or something so its swings and roundabouts and this way just seems like the best way to balance everything out. 

Shiera Seastar is weeeeeeeeeird, haven't seen that before, although tbf I don't think I've done a playthrough where she's alive - normally go for the Wot5K, the Dance, or the Conquest so never seen that before, her bloodline code shouldn't do that, inheritance is matrilineal:



seastar = {

intrigue = 1

monthly_character_prestige = 0.25

sex_appeal_opinion = 20

lysene_opinion = 5

mystic_opinion = 5

bastard_opinion = 5

legit_bastard_opinion = 5

inheritance = matrilineal

allow_bastards = yes

picture = GFX_bloodline_targaryen

flags = { historical_bloodline bloodline_fair bloodline_mystic }

}
so very strange, were you by any chance doing a Baratheon playthrough? I realised a flaw in the code where an event was applying bloodlines to characters it shouldn't (so Baratheon mothers would pass on certain bloodlines to any child regardless of marriage - but usually it was just the Argilac, Arlan the Avenger, and Durran Godsgrief bloodlines - so it may not have been that), like I said very strange - is the mod with the correct version of AGOT?

Yup, that happend in my last playthrough, before i updated to 1.9.1, i've only seen that type of inheritance with "Drop of Dragon Blood" bloodline, which, it's carriers, male or female, pass the bloodline to their descendents no matter what same as Shiera, but that one makes sense, Shiera one doesn't, so indeed it truly is odd, hmm, i mean it's not too big of an issue, just a bit immersion breaking but that's it. but as 1.7 is near and CoAs will be dynamic i might aswell wait for it cause it'll take me a week to make it fully work anyways lol. i do understand on Legitimization part though, at least i'll be able to play them without becoming True Baratheons, that's the most important part :3 (i like that once i refuse,my Kin won't be able to Legitimize our dynasty aswell, cause that's the main issue i have with playing Bastard houses, and i tend to make my dynasties HUGE)

Shiera was married to me, our sons (and daughters) were also regularly married, though i had to end the campaign at Grandchildren due to 1.9.1 (Not like i'm doing anything with it though, just experimented with Religion reformation and that's it,ganna kill some time with TV shows before starting a proper campaign,cause i tend to dedicate alot of effort into my saves. should have sticked with 1.9 before you updated the mod lol)
Oh also, if you haven't tested around with Religion reformations yet, you'll have to Tweak Old Gods a bit i believe, due to Skinchanger society mainly being based on Old Gods/Beyond Old Gods. if Player decides to Reform it, it could potentially (or not) break the feature, or cause some bugs, dunno.

Nah but I meant like what was the character you married her to, what dynasty, was the marriage matrilineal, were the children using sibling marriages etc.

I think the skinchanger society should be stable - the "is_old_gods_trigger = yes" trigger includes the reformed religions too I believe and the skinchanger society despite being very old gods themed doesn't actually have old gods as a requirement - so long as you have greensight or can skinchange you can join it whether you worship Bakkalon, Rhllor, the Seven, whomever lol, so I'm tentatively gonna say it should be fine, but I will of course check none of my events would work differently if the religion has been reformed

As a side note I've got a long term plan for some stuff I want to do with the Old Gods and to a lesser extent YiTi - basically does anyone know if a religion with a religious head can be reformed or must it be headless to qualify as reformable?

It was House Celtigar, and no the Children were married into non-related Dynasties, including all marriages being Patrilineal. as for Reformation, yes, only Non-religious Head religions can be reformed, Old Gods, Valyrian, Drowned God, etc. Faith of The Seven for instance can't be reformed because of that. it's a Vanilla thing, Pagans don't have religious heads so they can Reform. (the could even before Holy Fury, it just made Reformation much more customizable) the Organized religions (Christians,Muslims, etc) who have religious Heads can't reform however, same with AGOT. don't know any other religion apart from The Seven that has religious head cause i haven't played much in Essos, but apart from The Seven and few others, every other Religion is (probably) reformable. should have checked with Essos enabled to make sure though.

Interesting on Shiera, literaally no idea what caused it.

Drat on the religious head thing I get the usefulness of Reformations but the fact that the God Emperors of YiTi wouldn't necessarily be head of their religion and the idea of God Kings for Old Gods followers is bugging me a little, my plan was to make YitTi emperors heads of their religion even pre reformation (seeing as we are told that even the Lengi recognise the Emperors of YiTi as gods and the head of their faith this is lore accurate) and then for Old Gods set up an unreachable county surrounded by the Land of Always Winter and create a title up there for the head of all the branches of Old Gods which could only be held by greenseers, but if doing that will stop reformations entirely I'll hold off it (although I might suggest to the devs they restrict religious head for YiTi to God King only - doesn't make sense for the Emperors to reform the religion and go "actually guys I'm not a god anymore and this priest is now in charge" lol)

Yeah so that's what I mean - I've never done reformation modding but seeing as you can give the option of specific doctrines to certain religion it should be possible to make it so that the only option availble to YiTish characters for religious head during a reformation is God-King, so temporal, autocephalous, hierocratic and autonomous simply aren't available as options, I guess the counter argument to this is what if the Prince of Asabhad or the God Empress of Leng reformed it, but considering 4/5 of the Holy Sites for the YiTi religion are in YiTi by the time a God Empress or Prince of Asabhad were able to reform the religion they have literally conquered the Empire already so would effectively be God-Emperor (particularly if YiTi has its own version of the Mandate of Heaven doctrine of China)