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Post by angryfarmer on Mar 14, 2019 14:48:24 GMT
Looks amazing, we are all enjoying your hard work and dedication to this mod. Keep up the good work please.
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Post by zexios on Mar 15, 2019 0:54:22 GMT
We love your creativity and breadth of vision, thanks for making this submod
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Post by copperheart on Mar 15, 2019 0:56:59 GMT
I'm getting a strange bug with the extra bloodlines. In the Conquest start date Aegon gets his bloodline for EVERY kingdom he conquers so he usually ends up with 7+ 'conqueror' bloodlines depending if the duchies rebel or not. Along with that. I've had the 'Restorer of the the Raventree' bloodline fire three different times for a Grandfather, Son, and Grandson each gaining the bloodline.
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Post by rufff1 on Mar 15, 2019 7:18:32 GMT
I'm getting a strange bug with the extra bloodlines. In the Conquest start date Aegon gets his bloodline for EVERY kingdom he conquers so he usually ends up with 7+ 'conqueror' bloodlines depending if the duchies rebel or not. Along with that. I've had the 'Restorer of the the Raventree' bloodline fire three different times for a Grandfather, Son, and Grandson each gaining the bloodline. Can you upload the save - the conqueror bloodline should only fire for aegon if he holds the IT title and only once as it's flagged, as for restoring the raventree it should be super difficult for the AI to do and it's done via rebuilding a building - once it's done it should be unobtainable. Also are you on 1.5.3 or 1.5? also is anyone else having these problems?
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smika
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Post by smika on Mar 15, 2019 23:29:13 GMT
If you are taking suggestions for any more bloodlines, I recommend Maggy the Frog getting one since she is a famous sorceress/witch.
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Post by rufff1 on Mar 16, 2019 0:13:06 GMT
If you are taking suggestions for any more bloodlines, I recommend Maggy the Frog getting one since she is a famous sorceress/witch. Its an interesting suggestion certainly but there are a few issues I can think of - 1. she's not really that famous - she's basically little better than a hedge witch and I doubt anyone outside of Lannisport had heard of her, 2. she has no daughters in canon so the bloodline would die with her sons. There is definitely merit to it - ie a mystic trait gain for her bloodline is actually canon justified - Sybelle Spicer's knowledge of potions and poultices suggests that the family passed down some of Maggy's herbalist skills so random spicers becoming mystics from their links to Maggy is a good call. Essentially I'm torn - there are pros and cons to this and I'd have to do a fair amount of coding so that the bloodline passes on despite the game not wanting it to (it is possible - I did it with the Osgrey and Durrandon bloodlines already), so would you be able to put forward some more arguments in favour and some more suggestions for traits and features on top of mystic trait gain to help me make up my mind whether to add it or not?
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smika
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Post by smika on Mar 16, 2019 6:59:12 GMT
If you are taking suggestions for any more bloodlines, I recommend Maggy the Frog getting one since she is a famous sorceress/witch. Its an interesting suggestion certainly but there are a few issues I can think of - 1. she's not really that famous - she's basically little better than a hedge witch and I doubt anyone outside of Lannisport had heard of her, 2. she has no daughters in canon so the bloodline would die with her sons. There is definitely merit to it - ie a mystic trait gain for her bloodline is actually canon justified - Sybelle Spicer's knowledge of potions and poultices suggests that the family passed down some of Maggy's herbalist skills so random spicers becoming mystics from their links to Maggy is a good call. Essentially I'm torn - there are pros and cons to this and I'd have to do a fair amount of coding so that the bloodline passes on despite the game not wanting it to (it is possible - I did it with the Osgrey and Durrandon bloodlines already), so would you be able to put forward some more arguments in favour and some more suggestions for traits and features on top of mystic trait gain to help me make up my mind whether to add it or not? I mean the main reason I suggested it was because of the theory that Jeyne used a love potion on Robb to make him fall in love with her. Currently, in the main mod, it makes no sense for Robb to get Jeyne pregnant and marry her if Balon goes to war against the Lannisters, so having that line be mystics makes more sense than what happens in game. But it's up to you.
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Post by copperheart on Mar 16, 2019 7:03:41 GMT
I'm getting a strange bug with the extra bloodlines. In the Conquest start date Aegon gets his bloodline for EVERY kingdom he conquers so he usually ends up with 7+ 'conqueror' bloodlines depending if the duchies rebel or not. Along with that. I've had the 'Restorer of the the Raventree' bloodline fire three different times for a Grandfather, Son, and Grandson each gaining the bloodline. Can you upload the save - the conqueror bloodline should only fire for aegon if he holds the IT title and only once as it's flagged, as for restoring the raventree it should be super difficult for the AI to do and it's done via rebuilding a building - once it's done it should be unobtainable. Also are you on 1.5.3 or 1.5? also is anyone else having these problems? Idk how to upload the save. I though it was only because I wasn't playing Aegon himself but I started up a new game, and now I have the bloodline three times. EDIT: I uninstalled and reinstalled the mod. I must have been on 1.5 before and not 1.5.3 Because now everything works fine
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Post by rufff1 on Mar 16, 2019 9:19:09 GMT
Its an interesting suggestion certainly but there are a few issues I can think of - 1. she's not really that famous - she's basically little better than a hedge witch and I doubt anyone outside of Lannisport had heard of her, 2. she has no daughters in canon so the bloodline would die with her sons. There is definitely merit to it - ie a mystic trait gain for her bloodline is actually canon justified - Sybelle Spicer's knowledge of potions and poultices suggests that the family passed down some of Maggy's herbalist skills so random spicers becoming mystics from their links to Maggy is a good call. Essentially I'm torn - there are pros and cons to this and I'd have to do a fair amount of coding so that the bloodline passes on despite the game not wanting it to (it is possible - I did it with the Osgrey and Durrandon bloodlines already), so would you be able to put forward some more arguments in favour and some more suggestions for traits and features on top of mystic trait gain to help me make up my mind whether to add it or not? I mean the main reason I suggested it was because of the theory that Jeyne used a love potion on Robb to make him fall in love with her. Currently, in the main mod, it makes no sense for Robb to get Jeyne pregnant and marry her if Balon goes to war against the Lannisters, so having that line be mystics makes more sense than what happens in game. But it's up to you. I've never really bought into it being a love potion - psychological explanation tied to Robb's grief over Bran and Rickon and friendship with Jon and Catelyn's treatment of Jon make more sense to me, although the poultice and moon tea Sybelle Spicer makes does suggest mysticism, and having a mystic bloodline that is matrilineal would be a fun angle (ie it wouldn't stay in the Starks or Westerlings as it passes mother to daughter so it will bounce around various houses for a few generations at a time so it would be a pretty fun bloodline to watch over time), I'm going to think about this some more as to whether to put it in the new update. Can you upload the save - the conqueror bloodline should only fire for aegon if he holds the IT title and only once as it's flagged, as for restoring the raventree it should be super difficult for the AI to do and it's done via rebuilding a building - once it's done it should be unobtainable. Also are you on 1.5.3 or 1.5? also is anyone else having these problems? Idk how to upload the save. I though it was only because I wasn't playing Aegon himself but I started up a new game, and now I have the bloodline three times. EDIT: I uninstalled and reinstalled the mod. I must have been on 1.5 before and not 1.5.3 Because now everything works fine Good to hear it is sorted multiple Aegon (and Robert Baratheon) bloodlines were a known glitch of 1.5 which is why I needed to patch it, let me know if you have any other issues
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Post by rufff1 on Mar 17, 2019 13:58:05 GMT
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Post by gabec on Mar 18, 2019 16:50:30 GMT
Can i suggest an independent bloodline for house Greyiron?
Since Grey King bloodline is for all ironborn houses ... Greyiron was the house that for the longest ruled the iron islands, losing only to House Hoare in number of kings, they also deserve an exclusive lineage, since until Greyjoy and other ironborn houses have one
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Post by rufff1 on Mar 18, 2019 17:48:17 GMT
Can i suggest an independent bloodline for house Greyiron? Since Grey King bloodline is for all ironborn houses ... Greyiron was the house that for the longest ruled the iron islands, losing only to House Hoare in number of kings, they also deserve an exclusive lineage, since until Greyjoy and other ironborn houses have one I do intend to expand the ironborn bloodlines - currently only the Grey King, the Good Brother, Red Kraken and Harwyn Hardhand have one - although the Greyirons will get one just for lore sake although they are all long dead in the scope of the mod, I'll probably create a bloodline for each house and maybe the odd legendary ancestor - Dagon the necromancer for example. An issue with this is the descent of the Ironborn houses are tricky: we know basically every major Ironborn house (all the ones that aren't called a young house, or descendants of thralls) is descended from the Grey King (or his brother) and we know that the King had 16 sons who survived to father heirs after a civil war killed 84 of them or so, we also have the name of a number of ironborn heroes from their earlier legends, the devs chose to make 3 of these sons of the Grey King - Grey Urragon, Torgon the Terrible, and Hrothgar of Pyke - sons of the Grey King and progenitors of House Greyiron, House Hoare, and House Greyjoy. In a similar vein I used a few other ancient ironborn heroes we have names for (Jorl the Whale, Dagon Drumm) as sons of the Grey King and founders of houses (Dagon Drumm got the Drumms as he was their ancestor, Baelor Blackskin got the Blacktydes because of the name, and Jorl the Whale got the Volmarks - whale on their sigil - and the Farwynds - skinchange into whales) but then I had to just create 11 or so characters to found the remaining houses and so just made them up using nicknames related to the sigils of the houses I had them found. This is why I haven't rounded out the Ironborn bloodlines yet, I do need to think about how I implement the bloodlines and who I have as their founders, so hopefully it'll be in 1.6 but no guarantees.
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tonso
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Post by tonso on Mar 18, 2019 18:49:13 GMT
There's anyway to add your bloodlines in a custom character?
Like a Greystark taking Starks bloodline or so.
Save editing maybe?
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Post by rufff1 on Mar 18, 2019 19:42:22 GMT
There's anyway to add your bloodlines in a custom character? Like a Greystark taking Starks bloodline or so. Save editing maybe? yeah you can save edit a character to having a bloodline by finding a bloodline at the bottom of the file and adding their charid to the list, or if they are descended from the bloodline founder via the correct path (ie father sone/mother daughter) they will automatically have the bloodline (same as Cersei's kids get the Lannister bloodlines when bastardised)
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Post by rufff1 on Mar 18, 2019 21:56:57 GMT
So whilst trying to work out how to get rid of Harras Harlaw's damned spear I came across an asset for an eagle perched on the shoulder of a character for Tengri characters, afaik this is unused in AGOT, but seeing the obvious uses for it for skinchangers I've added it to my mod, and made a crow version, now if you are an eagle skinchanger you get an eagle on your shoulder, and if you have a crow you get a crow (if somehow you have both a crow and an eagle the eagle overrides the crow in the portrait) By way of demonstration here are Jorah Mormont and Bloodraven with their crows And here is Orell with his eagle I quite like this feature (even though the eagle is weirdly huge - blame paradox) I might try and expand this to other skinchanging animals (although it might be difficult to represent them effectively - a shadowcat can't perch on your shoulder lol)
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