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Post by magnusmaximus on Nov 5, 2017 13:55:24 GMT
Anyone got any theories about where dragons came from?
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Post by SinStar87 on Nov 5, 2017 15:15:04 GMT
Eggs
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Post by Ser Jon Darry on Nov 5, 2017 20:32:26 GMT
Well, Septon Barth speculates that Bloodmage's of the Valyrian Freehold created dragons by mixing wyvern stock. Or dragons came from a second moon in the sky, scalded by the sun and then cracked like an egg. It is known!
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Post by SinStar87 on Nov 6, 2017 17:04:46 GMT
Thought mine would be funnier. It's probably the first one. Would be funnier if it was the ignorant savages who were right though. "Told you! Moon Egg.*As Second Moon Breaks up and fills the planet with Flying Spiders who breath boiling acid*"
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Post by LancelotLoire on Nov 6, 2017 22:15:12 GMT
I'd say that most likely dragons had existed before Valyrians had learned what blood magic was. There are various cultural tales saying that wild dragons were "Here" or "Here" long before the rise of the dragonlords began. So a naturally occurring species. The second moon reference doesn't particularly work too well either as there's no leftover "shell" floating up there, and an "egg" that big is gonna leave a massive shell.
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Post by SinStar87 on Nov 6, 2017 22:26:14 GMT
That was my thought originally except it's not magical, kind of a let down that the in universe answer would be "They were just there" and Valys are already super legends in the world, them making dragons is just more to pile onto them.
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Post by magnusmaximus on Nov 7, 2017 8:21:27 GMT
If they're a naturally occurring species, how come there are so little. Also they make magic stronger by merely existing!
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Post by LancelotLoire on Nov 7, 2017 9:45:10 GMT
@sinstar: It could still be magical. We don't actually know the origin of the AGOT universe, nor do we know how magic came to exist in the world. Maybe the world came into being, the dragons were just oversized wyverns but a magical pulse explosion created them. Maybe they just liked to eat a bunch of phosphoric rocks and got really bad indigestion and now burp fire (Dragonriders of Pern cough) Where did the Children of the Forest come from? Where did the White Walkers come from? << Not the stupid stupid creation in the tv show. What magical creatures are tied to the other elements? What are all of the other elements? Of the primal elements above we have 3 of 5 (Earth, Fire, Water) magnus: Are the Dragons themselves making magic stronger by existing? Or do they exist because magic is stronger?
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Post by SinStar87 on Nov 7, 2017 15:30:37 GMT
Yeah I know, but children and whitewalkers are people, dragons are more weapons of war. "Same as the horses and cattle, they've always been here." is a meh explanation, it'd be like how'd we get to the moon? "Oh, we found a rocket out back."
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Post by LancelotLoire on Nov 7, 2017 22:46:34 GMT
So what if the children and white walkers are "people". There is no rule that says a magical creature must be some massive element breathing weapon of war or anything. Having a species that is manlike and a magical creature is pretty standard for fantasy series.
Saying a dragon has always been there isn't a meh explanation either. It means that they are older or similarly aged to humans. Comparison: Where did the moon come from in AGOT? It's always been there. Sure they could be like "During the formation solar system, the larger particles began collecting together and pulling their neighbors in until they started forming a planet, however perhaps a collision ejected some of the material off the main body which then took shape to form a secondary smaller satellite body".
If the dragons came from a "Second moon" Why doesn't everyone know about the second moons existence?
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Post by SinStar87 on Nov 7, 2017 22:58:28 GMT
It's a meh explanation because it doesn't build the lore. The fact that there's at least 2 explanations in the lore for it requires it to be more than a meh explanation of they're just there.
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Post by LancelotLoire on Nov 8, 2017 9:24:37 GMT
And where exactly is the question about lore coming from exactly? I mean if we wanna go with "lore", Planetos is just a spec in a giants eye.
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Post by Roshambo on Nov 17, 2017 5:39:17 GMT
I don't think the lore says anything about dragons being created.
The lore kinda just says that dragons are animals like any other animals in the World of Ice and Fire and that they originated in the Fourteen Fires of Valyria.
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Post by soulbourne on Nov 17, 2017 6:16:17 GMT
Also, depends how long ago the second moon egg hatched. Could be the pieces coalesced into the normal moon or crashed into the planet. Maybe aliens came by and stole the pieces for research. Maybe the lord of light is just an ancient chinese dragon that is one of the original 7 dragons and is a borderline divine being who rules over the americas continent full of japanese-aztec people and has the ability to influence the realm at west with sufficiently powerful blood sacrifice full of divine luck that is demonstrated by ones ability to rise and hold positions of power in the rather deadly game of thrones.
On topic however, dragons being a naturally occur creature with either magic fire or bladders filled with either a gasous or liquid flamable they puke out and ignite with hardened plates in their mouth could work, with fire resistance being their natural state from developing near volcanoes. Could very well be some divine being placed them there at creation just to see how the other creatures ran in terror and then panic'd when his praactical joke turned into valyrian weapons of war and he decided "Nope!" and super volcano'd the mistake away. Basically, not enough info to really give any justifiable theories our side. Since the sources in lore seem to be very big on the idea of the unreliable narrator given how it always specifies an in lore character for the theories.
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Post by galrun on Nov 17, 2017 14:00:37 GMT
I would say the Valyrians in the first place found creatures like small Wyverns which they learned to control. Later in the process they began breeding them like mankind did with dogs, chicken and cattle: They were selected by certain traits (size, devotion, ability to be used as weapons, ...) and over hundreds of years they became the majestic beasts we know.
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