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Post by hjk on Oct 17, 2019 6:39:40 GMT
I never saw this before using 2.0. I can't really get far into a game now as Aegon because the Night's Watch holdings immediately go to shit and it breaks immersion. While the actual, titular title uses nights_watch succession, the physical holdings that should go to the rightful Lord Commander of the Night's Watch - The High Lordship of the Wall and Castle Black, are stuck on agnatic primogeniture. At the time of the Aegon's Conquest, the incumbent Lord Commander is the brother of the King of the Iron Isles. This means that Harren the Black or one of his many sons and relatives inherits both when the Lord Commander dies. So the new elected Lord Commander exists, but he is title-less and sits as a courtier in the Iron Isles. Then the whole court starts filling up with dudes who took the Black. Wtf caused this and how do we fix it!?
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erbkaiser
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Post by erbkaiser on Oct 20, 2019 10:47:49 GMT
Are you using any submods? Improved Borders+/AGOT Revised for example splits up the Wall High Lordship into two, which can cause some of these issues (but should be fixed in the current version).
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Post by hjk on Oct 21, 2019 9:33:16 GMT
Are you using any submods? Improved Borders+/AGOT Revised for example splits up the Wall High Lordship into two, which can cause some of these issues (but should be fixed in the current version). No submods. There should not be anything else running but base 2.0 AGOT. As I can tell only the titular Night's Watch title is being passed, but the High Lordship seems to stay intact through primogeniture.
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erbkaiser
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Post by erbkaiser on Oct 21, 2019 9:36:56 GMT
That's weird, because in base AGOT the NW holder is not capable of creating the actual Wall duchy/HL title precisely to prevent this kind of issue. Try redownloading the AGOT mod from this forum (not Steam, the workshop isn't reliable), delete the current mod, and install it again.
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Post by daemon on Oct 21, 2019 11:25:09 GMT
Can confirm this issue Also no submods
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Post by glitterhoof on Oct 21, 2019 11:48:38 GMT
From the testing I've done, I think the actual problem might be that Harren Hoare becomes heir of the Night's Watch if no votes has been cast for a successor. There are events to ensure that The Wall and Castle Black always passes to the new Lord Commander. To reproduce: Play as Lord Commander Harras in the War of Conquest bookmark, wait a day for events to fire. Kill Harras with the die console command. The Night's Watch then passes to Harren. If you nominate a successor before dying, then everything passes to him. From what I've seen with playing as the Night's Watch, there is a hidden regular event that resets the successor votes.
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Post by hjk on Oct 21, 2019 19:38:28 GMT
Can confirm this issue Also no submods Thanks knew I wasn't crazy. I might just re-download, but before I do I'll play around with it. I always get the link here, never Steam Workshop. I wasn't actually the Night's Watch though, but Aegon the Conqueror. I just noticed everything going to hell up North with the Wall. From what I could see, a successor to the NW was nominated, it's just that the landed titles aren't going to him. Also, i noticed other NW holdings like counties and baronies owned by Iron Islanders. It's really weird. I'll report back.
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Post by Paxter Redwyne on Oct 21, 2019 21:18:13 GMT
I stumbled upon this issue once, but I haven't managed to reproduce it, will try to look closer into it.
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Post by glitterhoof on Oct 21, 2019 22:22:24 GMT
I stumbled upon this issue once, but I haven't managed to reproduce it, will try to look closer into it. Did you see my repro steps above? It fails sometimes, as occasionally a single black brother will cast a vote immediately. Restart the game if that happens, as just resigning doesn't seem to help.
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Post by hjk on Dec 20, 2019 0:47:26 GMT
I stumbled upon this issue once, but I haven't managed to reproduce it, will try to look closer into it. Ok, so sorry lads for taking so long. I haven't had much time to play recently, but I finally was able to get back to this bug. Strangely, it didn't take anything to reproduce, it's the default state of the fresh install for me! Checksum is ODPQ so nothing odd going on, no hidden mods, and I still get this right off the bat!
Glitterhoof: I tried being Lord Harras in the initial War of Conquest spawn, waited a day, and then the troible began. Without nominating a successor, everything looked fine. When I did though (Shadow Tower Commander), the High Lordship of the Wall and Castle Black instantly went to primogeniture and my damned brother. the King of Iron Isles! I will attach pictures. I have no idea how this is happening. I have even checked the files in Notepad, and both holdings should follow the Night's Watch Elective Succession. As shown here, only the Titular Title is going to my designated successor!
Castle Black being Primo:
High Lordship of the Wall being Primo:
Titular Night's Watch active:
My chosen successor in Night's Watch Elective system...what is weirdest is that I couldn't even change the holdings to go Primo if I wanted to because there is nothing here on the Laws screen to do that!:
Just a plain pic of the whole scene, you can clearly see my bro the King of the Iron Isles as my successor:
WTF is this issue on a fresh install with no mods. Does anyone get this so easily?
Edit: Is it because of the CKII version 3.3? I had heard a few people say some things are slightly buggy on this version. Should I use 3.2.2 or 3.2.1? Is this is a newly discovered issue for AGOT 2.0 while running 3.3? I hope if so this is reported directly to the mod creators as something to put into the next patch of AGOT for 2.1....
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Post by hjk on Jan 8, 2020 16:31:59 GMT
Update: Well I see 2.1 has been released - but it doesn't seem to do anything. Fresh install, proper checksum for 2.1 AGOT, and still it seems that the High Lordship of the Wall and Command of Castle Black are defaulting to Primogeniture instead of going to the chosen successor of the Night's Watch. The physical properties aren't being passed with the Titular Title still....
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Post by hjk on Jan 24, 2020 3:37:11 GMT
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southpark634
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Post by southpark634 on Jan 25, 2020 16:49:15 GMT
I found a fix for this. Switch to the Lord Commander using the console and set his primary title to the High Lordship of the Wall. I do this each time I start a game. They never change the primary title back and this resolves the issues with dynasty members inheriting the Night's Watch.
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Post by hjk on Jan 25, 2020 23:18:35 GMT
I found a fix for this. Switch to the Lord Commander using the console and set his primary title to the High Lordship of the Wall. I do this each time I start a game. They never change the primary title back and this resolves the issues with dynasty members inheriting the Night's Watch. Brilliant! Thank you I will try this now. Finally, someone with a glimmer of hope lol. So...this means that the real issue is that the High Lordship is not the primary title anymore in these latest iterations of the mod: 2.0, 2.1...? I'll be back in a jiffy
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Post by hjk on Jan 26, 2020 0:47:55 GMT
So my initial impression is that yes - at least for one generation it gets ride of passing any NW titles to family of the Black Brothers. I haven't gone beyond the first LC so though so bear with me. However, it appears that making the HL of the Wall the primary title makes everything use vanilla Open Elective as opposed to the mod-specific Night's Watch Elective. I imagine this could affect voting and flavor events down the line. I'll have to see....
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