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Post by Werther on Jan 7, 2019 6:07:55 GMT
Hi all! I just want to know what is, for you, the best setting for a canon game?
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Post by Naathi Adventurer on Jan 8, 2019 0:06:42 GMT
I personally enjoy to disable the Sunset Invasion and you may want to disable the Non-Lore Invasions too.
You may also want to consider turning off Fabricating Claims and toning down the Demesne Size.
Sunset Invasion
If I recall correctly, it's Aztec Starks and they make for a strong, and possibly early, challenge: event may occur at the earliest 75 years after the game has started.
Non-Lore Invasions
Brindlemen, Mountain Clansmen and Summer Islanders possible invasion events.
Can happen as soon as the game start, I do not recall these as extremely challenging (unless you play with Shattered Realms set to counties and you choose to start as a minor vale count from experience - in which case Moutain Clansmen will probably be your bane)
Fabricating Claims
Other mechanics are available to conquer other counties, e.g. inheritance, expand realm ambition, dragon conquest (if you successfully tame a dragon).
Demesne Size
Quartered means a very small demesne: an emperor with 30 stewardship may hold 6 counties without penalties at best but a typical count will need 15 stewardship and have abolished the council revoked (absolute rule) to be able to hold 2.
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Post by Werther on Jan 8, 2019 1:40:17 GMT
Thank you. Ok, I wanted to play lord Mooton and create an High lordship but with no fabricating claims and a low DS, it's going to be impossible, so I should probably choose someone else.
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Post by Werther on Jan 8, 2019 10:08:33 GMT
It seems like the quartered Demesne Size will not affect me too much before I become a high lord. But with the rules No fabricate, DS quartered, Enhanced Marriage AI and Dynastic Stability, I'm curious to know if conquering two others lordship (like Deddington and Saltspan) will even be possible...
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Post by quazar87 on Jan 8, 2019 13:31:36 GMT
How does the Supernatural rule play into it? Can we disable the "Become Immortal" event and other non-canon things from the base game without disabling all the canon supernatural events?
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Post by Naathi Adventurer on Jan 8, 2019 23:07:22 GMT
Thank you. Ok, I wanted to play lord Mooton and create an High lordship but with no fabricating claims and a low DS, it's going to be impossible, so I should probably choose someone else. It would be quite challenging indeed. It seems like the quartered Demesne Size will not affect me too much before I become a high lord. But with the rules No fabricate, DS quartered, Enhanced Marriage AI and Dynastic Stability, I'm curious to know if conquering two others lordship (like Deddington and Saltspan) will even be possible... Perhaps waiting for Deddings and Cox to have daughters, then do unspeakable things. Else you can shatter the realm by counties or duchies which will make all the counties of the bay of crabs independant (or its duchy, should it be created in your chosen bookmark). As a result, you should be able to use the expand realm ambition. How does the Supernatural rule play into it? Can we disable the "Become Immortal" event and other non-canon things from the base game without disabling all the canon supernatural events? To the extent of my limited knowledge, this won't be doable without creating a submod or editing the mod files. If you're only concerned with immortality, rest assured it's extremely rare for either the player to get, even when actively pursuing it, and even more so for AIs... |
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Post by Toccs on Jan 8, 2019 23:30:57 GMT
It seems like the quartered Demesne Size will not affect me too much before I become a high lord. But with the rules No fabricate, DS quartered, Enhanced Marriage AI and Dynastic Stability, I'm curious to know if conquering two others lordship (like Deddington and Saltspan) will even be possible...
With that set of game rules, you are realistically looking at a game that lasts for hundreds of years with no tangible progress made by anyone.
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Post by kappa on Jan 9, 2019 3:06:01 GMT
Yea... No fabricate already shuts down a lot of expansion, then combine that with DS quartered means any gains you do make will have to be given away at least temporarily to somebody you'd inherit from (but the AI doesn't know how to do that) and makes it incredibly difficult to build up a large enough demesne force to really do much expanding without constantly relying on your vassals, who you will likely end up pissing off by constantly calling on their leveies. Then on top that Enhanced Marriage AI means you cant abuse the AI and marry into a bunch of land (I do suggest using that rule though) and quite frankly I forget what Dynastic Stability does. At least you still have the Ambition casus beli active I assume? Still, without dragons expansion would be really ridiculous with those rule sets. If you want most wars to just be faction wars/uprisings/slave wars/embargo wars etc (IE no land gain type wars) then that's fine. But it would result in a rather static game.
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Post by Salty_Balls on Jan 9, 2019 15:45:38 GMT
Enhanced Marriage AI is highly non canon if anything, since it promotes a absurd amount of matrelinial marriages. Also it practically makes it impossible to marry into any family at all if your playing in Dorne, since the ai there will want to marry absolutely all of its female family members matrelinially for some reason.
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Post by didgeridoo on Jan 9, 2019 18:07:47 GMT
Fabricating claims is completely lore friendly. Robert Baratheon usurped the the throne on what was essentially a fabricated claim.
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Post by ogarrr on Jan 9, 2019 18:33:57 GMT
No he didn't. Actually after the family of Aerys, Robert was heir to the throne, being the most senior agnatic cognatic relative.
A fabricated claim is completely false, Robert simply made all of the targs abdicate/forcibly abdicated them with his hammer which made him king.
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Post by didgeridoo on Jan 9, 2019 19:03:01 GMT
Well friend I disagree. He didn't force anyone to abdicate he claimed it. Both in lore and especially game mechanics it was essentially a fabricated claim. Although not completely false.
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Post by kappa on Jan 9, 2019 19:15:26 GMT
Enhanced Marriage AI is highly non canon if anything, since it promotes a absurd amount of matrelinial marriages. Also it practically makes it impossible to marry into any family at all if your playing in Dorne, since the ai there will want to marry absolutely all of its female family members matrelinially for some reason. If you play with it off many of the AI lordships using absolute cognatic succession (Dorne) will change dynasties within a few generations. If you're OK with that then turn it off, but it essentially protects the AI's stupidity by being super overbearing with the marriage limitations for the Dornish. |
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Post by rufff1 on Jan 9, 2019 19:25:10 GMT
Well friend I disagree. He didn't force anyone to abdicate he claimed it. Both in lore and especially game mechanics it was essentially a fabricated claim. Although not completely false. He went to war for Lyanna and because if not his and Ned's heads were for the chopping block, not to claim the throne, he even makes some sort of comment to Ned that he wished they'd proclaimed Ned or someone else King, further evidence to back up the fact that Robert wasn't claiming the throne was that when the Westerlanders find Jaime on the Iron Throne having slain Aerys they ask who they should proclaim king and he says "proclaim whoever you damn well please." Robert's Rebellion wasn't a war for the throne, it was essentially a war against tyranny, but by the end of the war the only Targs anyone knew were left were a newborn and an 8 year old whose entire family had been murdered or killed in battle, as a consequence they put Robert on the throne taking advantage of the fact that he was also the next in line given his descent from a daughter of Aegon V. In terms of game mechanics it was essentially a war against tyranny that triggered a succession crisis |
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Post by didgeridoo on Jan 9, 2019 20:06:43 GMT
Doesn't succession crisis only trigger when there are no heirs? He usurped it on a "flimsy" claim that in terms of game mechanics I don't think he would have even had.
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